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A top official from the Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) has warned that the African National Congress will not hesitate to "kill" the Scorpions if they continued to pursue ANC president Jacob Zuma, the Sowetan newspaper reported on Monday. The report quoted Cosatu's KwaZulu-Natal secretary general Zet Luzipho as saying: "If the Scorpions bite the wrong people we will kill them. Like a dog when it starts biting relatives at your home. You get rid of it. We will do the same to the Scorpions." Luzipho's statements followed the protests held throughout Durban on Friday when members of the ANC's eThwkweni region staged protests at 16 police stations throughout Durban to demand that criminal charges against Zuma be dropped. Zuma faces a charge of racketeering, four charges of corruption, a charge of money laundering and 12 charges of fraud related to a multibillion-rand arms government arms deal. Zuma was charged in 2005 but that case was struck from the role in 2006. He was re-charged in December 2007. The two Thint companies -- Thint Holding (Southern Africa) and Thint -- are the South African subsidiaries of the French arms manufacturing giant Thales International (formerly Thomson-CFS). Each company faces a charge of racketeering and two counts of corruption. Meanwhile, it merged last week that businessman Hugh Glenister would be seeking an urgent high court interdict to bar Travelgate MPs from debating the future of the Scorpions. He said at a Cape Town Press Club lunch on Tuesday that his lawyers were hoping to go to court to argue the matter next week. The application would seek to have "220 members, if not more", disqualified on the grounds of conflict of interest from voting the Scorpions out of existence. Glenister is currently waiting for the outcome of a Constitutional Court hearing on his challenge to government plans to disband the unit. His attorney, Kevin Louis, sent a letter to National Assembly Speaker Baleka Mbete on August 14 asking that MPs who had been investigated by the Scorpions in the Travelgate matter recuse themselves from consideration of the two Bills that seek to shut down the unit. Louis sent a second letter last week, saying Glenister would institute an urgent application for an interdict if there was no reply by August 22. The speaker's office responded on Tuesday afternoon, rejecting Glenister's demands. It sent the lawyers a copy of a letter on the same issue that Mbete sent to the Grahamstown-based Public Service Accountability Monitor at the beginning of August. In that letter, Mbete said: "The parliamentary system has inbuilt measures for ensuring that individual members' feelings cannot compromise public interest and I believe in the system. - Sapa TOPICS IN THIS ARTICLE
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Terence Kekana on September 1, 2008, 9:15 am
These grossly irresponsible statements should not be tolerated. Walking roughshod over our criminal justice system and our consitution is a serious act of treason and should be treated as such. Death threats against anyone at all are criminal and must be prosecuted. Please arrest and suject these people to a trial even though given their own point of view, they would not be entitled to it!
Andrew Lawrence on September 1, 2008, 9:17 am
It seems to me that this statement is actually a declaration of war against the state. Perhaps I am in error but is it not true that if an individual or organization utters a death threat then such an utterance is a criminal act demanding an investigation and appropriate legal action.
Judicial response must be swift and show no fear of ramifications. Not to do so is to promote anarchy, for which all society will suffer. Imagine threatening a police officer on the street with death, or being quoted in the newspaper as having made such a threat openly against any individual or party. Its not enough for the authorities to take a softly softly approach to all these escalating threats. The potentially violent spin is escalating for no other reason than to intimidate the legitimate state, much like children having a tantrum when they don't get what they want. These are adults and these matters are not petty or unimportant. Such utterances must be stopped with stern response from those authorities tasked to deal with infractions of law and deliberate criminal acts.
solinus jolliffe on September 1, 2008, 9:50 am
Can there be any hope for this country if the authorities appionted to bring law and order into the country are threatened with death? I it more than irresponsible, shanmefull and decastating for the country as a whole when opiion leaders and leaders are so destructive through statements of this nature.
Rocky Montague on September 1, 2008, 10:00 am
Unfortunately, Madame Speaker, we, the thinking public, don't trust the 'inbuilt measures' that won't allow 'individual members' to 'compromise public interest'. If these so called inbuilt measures were effective, the Travelgate MPs would not be in Parliament. They would be facing the same punishment that ordinary members of the public face when they are caught scamming their employers. They would be fired, facing charges and hanging out in the appalling Dept of Labour buildings trying to claim UIF - like ordinary citizens have to do. If public interest were of any concern to Parliament, the Scorpions would be going about their jobs, helped by government, not hindered by it. But what am I thinking? This is post-Polokwane South Africa, and NOTHING is as it should be and EVERYTHING is up for grabs, including honourable State institutions, put in place to protect us, the people of South Africa. All so one flawed individual and his army of morons can wreak more havoc than Gustav on a nation that deserves a hell of lot better than what we've got right now.
Glenda Nevill on September 1, 2008, 10:33 am
When Mandela resigned from the presidency of South Africa he said Africa has enough powerful men, what it needs is powerful institutions. Destroying the Scorpions for the sake of someone like Jacob Zuma is falling into this all too common African trap (though not limited to Africa it is sadly the norm). This is a bad omen for the future and integrity of South Africa by undermining this (successful) institution.
Jason Kay on September 1, 2008, 11:04 am
With statements like this abounding lately, it seems like "Phase Two" of the "Revolution" is just over the horizon.
Mike C on September 1, 2008, 11:43 am
Hope someone will answer this question for me, with all the crazy talk in SA politics: Is South Africa a democratic country? Or what all these growing politicians say is what represents democratic principles that anyone can say what they feel like openly regardless of the consequences to the masses, instigating violence and hate speeches all over the people. My greatest fear is that SA will have the same results as in Kenya, ethical cleansing. I believe that people who are uttering these kinds of speeches need their place in the JZ government. Honestly speaking, they made me to cut back my liking of JZ and wonder if I will vote for the ANC in the coming elections. Maybe the ANC should start looking at a different way of electing its presidents, let everyone canvass and share what they will bring to the country and the people as a whole, although that might create hate as much as I would hate to admit that we Africans are used to violence more than any other way of solving problems. This is just an opinion, but considering all these speeches said by the ANCYL, ANC leadership, Cosatu, SACP, and other ANC allies, makes me doubt if we can really solve problems democratically without threatening other persons who might oppose our thinking. Furthermore, these people claim to be representing the masses ideologies, sadly not, nut pursuing their own agendas. ANC might or has the best policies of the country so far after searching and reading about other parties in SA, but lack of real educated leaders. The few educated, are suppressed by the noises of those who are good at making loud noises for the public to hear. The public that is blood thirty gladly accept as they have nothing to do with the unemployment rate high. I LOVE MY COUNTRY and disapprove of the war within the ANC. I support the war between Dems and the ANC as it is better for the country that way.
Douglas Baloyi on September 1, 2008, 11:49 am
I thought Scorpions stung? We are in deep trouble - the rule of law is the bedrock of democracy. Mess with it - and you end up with no law - Zimbabwe, Nazi Germany, Stalins Russia ... the list is endless.
How did we end up in such a mess?
Peter Stein on September 1, 2008, 12:02 pm
It is quite clear that the Scorpians are biting the right (corrupt) people, that's why they want 'em dead.
No one should be above the law. The DSO & Police should be able to carry out their investigations, on anyone, without political interference. If people believe that an investigation is politically motivated then they should produce evidence and let the courts deal with it. An individual who threaten's the lives of officials is unfit to hold public office. In fact it I would suggest that such utterances should be made illegal.
Julian Essenhigh on September 1, 2008, 12:25 pm
Narrow-minded, sabre-rattling, arrogant, prejudiced, dangerous and inflammatory comments such as these by repeat offender Zet Luzipho, the 'Kill for Zuma' tirade made by Julius Malema and the opportunistic follow-ups made by Zwelinzima Vavi must be condemned, in the strongest terms, by all democratically-minded citizens of this country.
The sheer gall of these pompous few men - who see everything through a glass coloured by the hallucination of all South Africans as falling into two categories: 'revolutionary' and 'counter-revolutionary' - is beyond the pale. They take it upon themselves - by virtue of their own misguided impression that by representing their constituents, they have been given the opportunity to mouth off about anything which displeases them personally - to rant, unhinged. Power-drunk as they are, they must be brought to book, if the very fabric of democracy - which enshrines our right to be free of just such violent intimidation and thoughtless incitement - is to be upheld. p.s: Pssst - Hey Julius, Zet and Zweli - the revolution's over. The war has been fought, and the guns are silent. Deal with it, or, if you have a panga to grind, follow the rules of the game. If you want to play the game, play fair - that's democracy.
Travis Lyle on September 1, 2008, 1:21 pm
Wanna know how Zimbabwe reached thepoint it is now?
That's exactly this - the ruling party become bigger than the state and operating with impunity as if above the law or is the law itself. Warning : DON'T GO DOWN THAT GARDEN PATH, WE'VE BEEN DOWN IT Proud Zimbabwean in Diaspora
Daddy Matty on September 1, 2008, 1:52 pm
and... killing the law too in the process??
Arie Leendert de Bles on September 1, 2008, 2:12 pm
This "kill" rhetoric is boring and worn out. Who are they trying to scare. When they say wrong people they reffer to the guilty ones who will do anything to stay out of the courts. Why don't the so called president of the African National Catastrophe (ANC)
Thabo Shirinda on September 1, 2008, 2:21 pm
It is impossible for the ANC to disown or discipline this kind of threat. The people indulging in it are the new power elite's constituency.
Only the possibility of losing the next election can make the ANC's leadership speak up for or act in the broader interest. That threat is missing.
Paul Whelan on September 1, 2008, 2:52 pm
On the BAND WAGON !!!
Let us re-introduce the DEATH PENALTY quickly while this type of mentality reigns supreme over everything that the ANC and various other parties, people and organisations fought for, over so many decades. And make quite damned certain that thegallows are erected inside parliament while at it. Democracy???? What total C*#P!
Vince York on September 1, 2008, 3:25 pm
Ho hum for democracy & the rule of law.
This is the way to make RSA the laughing stock of the world. It will weaken our currency and damage everything we are trying to build up. This id**t from Cosatu obviously thinks like Mugabe and his cretin cronies. Maybe the top ANC brass need to speak out against such crassly puerile statements. Come on JZ! You certainly don't need supporters like this. Speak up. Have your day in court and let the justice system decide what you know already: whether you are guilty of these charges or not.
on September 1, 2008, 4:32 pm
Americans will go to the polls soon. When the results are made known on Nov. 04, the loser will acknowledge and sing the praises of the winner. On inaguration day we will all hear the out going President welcome and again sing the praises of the incoming president. The in coming President will accect and thank the outgong President. Once again, the world will witness true Democracy and all people from both sides of the aisle will accept the decision of the process and move on.
Is it possible that the likes of Zuma will be touched and moved by this? Surely they have seen this before and reflected on the importance of this process... surely Madiba has left us with this example right here in our backyard... South Africa is just too great to cave in to the Zumas!The counrty has lots to offer. Scorpions must stay. The Constitutional Court must be left alone. The ANC must revealuate how it nominates its leaders.
Kismet Morrison on September 1, 2008, 6:45 pm
I has such belief and optimism in this country 14 years ago. I believed that after all the centuries of opression we had finally found true democracy under the leadership of the ANC in general and Mr Mandela in particular. Foolish me ! In the short period since 1994 the "unholy" allaince that is the ANC of today has managed destroy all that generations of black Africans so proudly and defiantly fought for.
Graeme Comrie on September 1, 2008, 7:48 pm
If I wouldn't know that there are such fabulous South Africans like Blossom, my domestic worker and nanny to my kids, Xolela Mangcu, one of the country's finest political thinkers and commentators, Lebo, a talented young intern in my company, and so many other bright and promising human beings I have got to know or heard of or read about over the last years, I would think this country is rotten to the bone, with no future at all! – But luckily there is...
The truth is the COSATU, ANCYL and other punks who are uttering consistent violent nonsense can’t stand it anymore. They are standing with their backs against history’s strong wall, while a new future is about to take its course. Revolution, revolution! they are screeching, choking on Georg Herwegh’s famous formula “Man of work arise and know thy power! All the wheels will stand still, if 'tis thy sovereign will”. Well, they should know that sheep can do exactly that, when lead into said wheels...! But wait, this would require...ah...uh....Yep - brains! No matter how loud they shout, South Africa is inevitably going to change, it will. They may want to preserve the “good old” brawn-based economy, but the funky new brain-world is gonna come anyway. It’s just that they won’t be there. They can’t! Even if they tried... They’ll suspect something, but they won’t get it. They’ll squeak and struggle and kick and bang their heads against the wall, but it won’t matter. “You say you want a revolution Well, you know We all want to change the world You tell me that its evolution Well, you know We all want to change the world But when you talk about destruction Dont you know that you can count me out?” Go play in your little zoo for brain-dead revolutionaries and let there be a future for all South Africans who really deserve it. But above all, when you talk about destruction, count us out! Count us out, count us out...
Reinhard Hiller on September 1, 2008, 9:57 pm
Did JZ promise this guys position in government by making such statemants???
Man Eddy on September 2, 2008, 8:45 am
Lst time they were prepared to kill for someone.... and now they are prepared to kill the Scorpions.
My dear contrymen, everytime when they talk they say, "WE", who are they talking about ? Me and you? they must be in their dreams to think that they can get me out and go do these mindless things. Malema & co should be saying "I" Julie, I am prepared to kill and not invite the masses in his stupidity. Help me my sober countrymen,do you think he reads these columns? can he read? Let's take our power back backfrom these POWER DRUNKARDS in the next elections!! Pleeeeeeeeeease!!, To show them that they can loose power long before Jesus arrives!!
Sea Dinthe on September 2, 2008, 10:54 am
The tragedy is that Zuma makes no effort to reign in people making these utterences. Surely Zuma wants a country left to be President of...at this rate he'll be left contemplating his navel in Inkandla with a wasteland about him!
Joe Public on September 2, 2008, 11:34 am
Wow, Its saddens me to hear that our beloved country is run by power hungry cretins, perhaps I should be very grateful that I am overseas, and should be looking to make my stay premanent.
Nicky Brunsdon on September 2, 2008, 6:13 pm
If your dog starts biting relatives at your home, it’s never the dogs fault, it just response to your own behavior. There’s nothing wrong with the dog. When you become a true leader of the pack, you’ve got yourself a wonderful doggie.
Maya Kali on September 2, 2008, 7:31 pm
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should I be scared? Damn right I should. People will be killed?
People are instill fear in us. So that we will not ask all the question because we are afraid. People laid down their lifes so that I could express my opinion on issues like this.
I want to know who is on the list?
Firstly the Scorpions,
second the Opposition Parties
who is next? Who is on the list?
Should I be scared?
South Africans where did we go wrong?
Are people above the law? The same laws that are meant to protect and serve us.
Is it all that we know, to strike, picket and burn tyres. I thought that we were over that. I guess I was wrong?
I am not scared because I am registering to vote in the next elections: I will be taking my power back!! I am not afraid to die !!!