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The sound and the fury

JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA Jan 30 2009 07:56
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There has been much sound and fury over the conduct and comments of political leaders around women and sex. Julius Malema talked about date rape and pregnant teens, then revelations about Kgalema Motlanthe’s private life set the blogs ablaze. Nicole Johnston, Thembelihle Tshabalala, Nosimilo Ndlovu and Monako Dibetle took to the streets to feel the people’s pulse.

It's an outrage
Reverend Bafana Khumalo, co-director of the Sonke Gender Justice Project
We are appalled by Julius Malema’s comments: they portray a lack of understanding of what women go through because of gender violence. But even more appalling is the silence from the ANC when a key leader makes such comments. It is an indictment on how it views women’s rights. We challenge the ANC leadership to come out clearly on this issue.

Our country has a high level of sexual violence and a justice system that cannot deal adequately with the problem, as well as a very high HIV rate. Many of the pregnant teenagers were raped or coerced into transactional sex because of poverty. It takes two to tango, but we hear nothing about the older men who often impregnate girls. Malema’s comments show lack of understanding of the complexity of our society.

It is worrying that people who are supposed to be leading our nation have such warped notions about women’s rights and women’s bodies.

Dr Sarojini Nadar, senior lecturer and programme director: gender and religion, University of KwaZulu-Natal
A woman who is raped doesn’t stay for breakfast or ask for taxi money is what rape expert Julius Malema told Cape Tech students. How does he know how a survivor of rape should behave? Has he been with one in the morning? Why is it not acceptable to ask for taxi money? Is there a ritual of walking (as opposed to taking a taxi) that must accompany the “culture” of rape in Malema’s imminent scholarly work on “Seven signs that a woman has been raped”? Is there a mandatory ritual of fasting (by avoiding breakfast) that the victim should follow to purge herself of the “sin” of being raped? Perhaps some of our regional and high court judges will rush out to buy a copy of Malema’s book, because clearly they too see themselves as experts on when a woman is raped, and why.

Remember the judge who -- in passing sentence on three rapists -- urged men who felt enticed to rape women because of their attire, to give them material instead to “cover up” their bodies. The worrying part is that the judges in our court system actually did progress beyond high school -- unlike Malema who still remains uneducated -- except, it would seem, on the habits of rape survivors.

Kumi Naidoo, activist and honorary president of Civicus
As a South African man I hope that all South Africans are ashamed that our leaders feel comfortable expressing such atrocious views of women. It is up to our country’s leadership to make sure that Julius Malema and others know that these views are unacceptable. It is not only degrading, but it reveals a shocking insensitivity towards the issue of rape and gender-based violence that is so sadly prevalent throughout South African society.

Amanda Gouws, professor of political science, University of Stellenbosch
To say that Julius Malema is sexist would simply add another adjective to an already long string of adjectives that refer to him as stupid, ignorant and arrogant. Somehow he is immune to these. The banality of his statement about the rape survivor in the Zuma case shows that little of the gender rhetoric of the Mbeki era, or the 16 days campaigns, have rubbed off on the ANC Youth League or the laughing and cheering students he was addressing. Once more in their blind allegiance to Jacob Zuma his supporters have shown us the ugliness of misogyny in which rape can be equated with a pleasurable “sexual favour”.

Did Malema ever consider Kwezi’s shame in having to ask for taxi money from a man she accused of raping her? And in case Malema wants to know, Kwezi lives in destitution in a foreign country -- for all intents and purposes stripped of her citizenship. But I guess Malema will fail to see how Kwezi’s fate can be an issue at the heart of democracy and gender equality.

CONTINUES BELOW


Lisa Vetten, researcher and policy analyst, Tshwaranang Legal Advocacy Centre to End Violence Against Women
What do the women’s rights’ activists in the ANC think when Jacob Zuma and his acolyte Julius Malema call for the internment of pregnant teenage girls in education camps? Were all those conceptions the result of parthenogenesis, with no male involvement or responsibility?

Do they -- like Malema -- think Zuma’s accuser had a “nice time”? And how do they uphold a man whose trial for rape was a textbook illustration of legal sexism? Indeed, some of the discriminatory practices employed in that trial (like the “cautionary approach” applied to the complainant’s testimony, or the negative inference drawn from her delayed report) are no longer permissible in terms of the 2007 Sexual Offences Act.

These are fierce and articulate women who drafted the Women’s Charter for Effective Equality, ensured the entrenchment of gender equality and reproductive rights in the Constitution, spearheaded model national gender machinery, pushed for progressive legislation such as the Domestic Violence Act and the Choice on the Termination of Pregnancy Act and fought for women’s representation in political structures.

How can they stand by so silently while their history and achievements are trampled by the members of their own party?

What's the problem?
Nombuso Zondi, Pietermaritzburg
I’m indifferent on Kgamela Motlanthe, but really you can’t be a public figure and be seen to be leading a life of having different women and sleeping with young girls. Soon we will hear him trying to talk about living a faithful life and condomising to stop HIV/Aids. He is contributing to the problems instead of helping to stop them.

Mike Mogale, Limpopo
It is known in our societies that younger women are more exciting than older women ... they are soft and sexy. Married women tend to be very boring, that’s why we men try to score the young ones. Personally, I think that Motlanthe behaved like a real man. Real African men always have lots of women. Motlanthe deserves a round of applause for being better than Thabo Mbeki. I think it is time we forget about Zuma now and start supporting Motlanthe. He is our new champion.

Julius Mathe Tladi, Soweto
Dating young people used to be contrary to the good morals of the society but not any longer. There are sugar daddies everywhere and they don’t even hide any more. It’s like this young woman dating Motlanthe -- she saw a man in a person old enough to be her grandfather. Who is to blame? Maybe the girl wants the nice life and money. Maybe Motlanthe is a good lover. Anyway, a young woman of 24 years is no longer a child. She’s a big girl and very ripe.

Viola Mabalane, Jo’burg
If our mothers understand and accept that we are dating older men then it means that this is what our society has become. I think this has very little to do with the men because men are men, it is more a reflection on us as young black women. We need to re-evaluate our morals when it comes to such things because it’s always easy to point fingers, while the actual problem is with us liking money and bling.

Qaqamba Tyopo, Jo’burg
There was a time when our culture didn’t allow older men to even look at younger girls in any way other than as daughters, but now things have changed. I am not sure that this is the kind of example that our leaders should be setting. The truth is that we have been seeing the trend of wealthy older men with young women because they’re rich. Very few of these relationships are about love, many are transactional.

Zeenande Nzama, Mpumalanga
What he is doing is nothing new. He is a sugar daddy, but because he is the president we expect him to be our moral leader. He can do anything he wants. He is human. Cut him some slack.

PM Melato Kagiso, Mogale City
Men are generally not happy with one woman and history can prove that. Remember the Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky saga? I don’t care about the age difference or sexual morals. Those things don’t count
any more.

Mmathuto Legodi, Randburg
Some women date successful older men as a survival strategy. Women with rich sugar daddies are not in a taxi like you and I right now, they are either driven to work by their daddies or bought cars. I am not saying it’s right. I am just saying that women are still deprived of many opportunities, so very few of us will ever be independent women.

Willem Mnisi, Mogale City
Should Motlanthe die of hunger when there’s a queue of women waiting for him to ask them out?
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The silence from the womens league on this and other issues is deafening. However considering how they stabbed Thabo in the back last year hardly surprising. It seems that in order to pursue their retributionist policies, place at the trough and vain hopes of a majority in the forthcoming elections, most in the ANC are willing to sacrifice their morals. in order to continue to deceive the largely uneducated electorate they will continue to bring on the song n dance and Jimmy Swaggart type of campaigning.

Ladies and gentlemen - it's time for change.
Craig Millar on January 30, 2009, 10:16 am
I think your dartboard image of Mr Malema is in extremely poor taste and it incites 'violence as innocent fun' in a society that is already breaking all records when it comes to violence.

It is even more distasteful, given that it serves to detract from the very important subject matter of the pervasive violence of rape and gender politics covered in your article.

You have crossed the fine line of tackling the issue and personalising/individualising the problem. If we focus our attention only on Mr Malema's utterings, we neglect the wider societal context that has shaped him. It makes us look away from ourselves and our own complicity in the shape this country is taking.

Isn't there another, less violent way to focus and channel our anger. I refuse to become part of an unthinking mob who thinks its fun to 'throw darts' at another human being - even if I disagree with his/her utterings. How about dialogue? How about asking us to engage him on your pages? For heaven's sake, please go and read up on some peace journalism!

Sarah Henkeman on January 30, 2009, 10:50 am
Great article.
Sex, death and taxes will never go away BUT the manner in which leaders and ordinary people of South Africa speak of women shows that they, men in particular, do not respect other people. They speak of women like their mothers, sisters, daughters and grandmothers.
Shame on those who speak of women and all people in such a manner ("very ripe").
These narcissists (from the guy who liked himself so much the gods turned him into a flower, Narcissus) have never thought of being in someone else's shoes.
I wonder how they would react if they were raped?
Would they cover it up from the papers? Would
Would they be brave enough to face the man who raped them across a court room?
To qoute the present Dalai Lama (not my faith just cool words):
"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive."
Schalk Burger on January 30, 2009, 11:49 am
Judging by the comments of the people below it would seem that the average person in SA has extremely low morals, with them not being in line average man in the world. It proves again why Malema and Zuma have so many sheep behind them.
Pasta Bag on January 30, 2009, 1:48 pm
To all those chauvinists, misogynists, women abusers and simple basic pigs out there who think that their male animal 'instinct' is a natural right: You don't deserve to be called people. South Africa would be much better off without you (as would the whole world). Do you not understand that to be a so-called adult means actually learning about life, about yourself, about others, and about respect, morals, ethics, decency and consideration? And to those women who condone 'men' such as this: the same applies to you. SA will always be a backward fourth-rate nation until its individual citizens grow up and learn how to be conscious people.
Citizen Mntu on January 30, 2009, 2:02 pm
South Africa, the beautiful. We need a total makeover in our thought process. Yes, it's later than we think. For a minute, in this rigmarole, replace "the woman" with a black person and "the man" with somebody white. Thrown into a cage full of hungry lions? Your teeth plucked out for eating maize in the farm you toil in? The language bears such similarities. THIS IS NO LONGER FUNNY!!
Loyiso Vanqa on January 30, 2009, 3:55 pm
What horrifies me most, is who invites this clown to speak or goes to listen to his speeches.
Theo Ramlall
on January 30, 2009, 4:13 pm
Rape still presents itself as one of RSA's worst heinous crimes, according to the stats!

BUT, society does nothing about the norms it accepts to live with. The huge majority of the 'struggle' folk, felt it a duty to help each other out even to passing casual sexual conduct, and it became a customary acceptable norm then.
It has now become a norm, for the younger folk, to express themselves quite freely in group sex, at every occasion they can. And as with all the younger generations, tomorrow will never come, so they get down low and the overwhelming demonstration of 'especially' the women, is to act like the proverbial "camp followers - nomadic chattels serving their warriors faithfully, for a fee of course". See the rabid zuma supporters!
The guys are even content to plough their way through the days and nights in a shared river of rancid seed in these communal extended family troughs, and so can no longer differentiate between rape and consensual responsibilty - deriving affirmation in the participation of group orgies.
The African Leaders truly have a long hard road to take, in order to bring their societies back to a more acceptable and nurturing normality!
Porcupine Quill on January 31, 2009, 2:05 am
We don't need morals. We need people to do their jobs. And that's what's NOT going to happen while the Malema/Zuma jockeying for power (and then - watch - for ABSOLUTE power) is going on.
When politicians say "morals" or "patriotism" smell a rat!

Don't look to politicians for moral leadership - they will use it and abuse it as the occasion demands.

Don't look to any Women's Movements or Women in Power (Naledi, Nomvete, Frene, Baleka, Nosiviwe, Nkosazana, etc you know who you are) for the faintest little peep of guidance. They're too busy shopping, travelling, acquiring BEE shares and wearing bling to have time for such side-issues.

They know too well that to say: "Julius, you're a disgrace" would promptly end the gravy train for them.
pete ess on February 4, 2009, 11:05 am
The word had started to acquire associations of immorality by 1637[1] and was used in the late 17th century with the meaning "addicted to pleasures and dissipations."[citation needed] This was by extension from the primary meaning of "carefree": implying "uninhibited by moral constraints." A gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man a womanizer and a gay house a brothel.

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