Cosatu wants lefties in municipalities

Deployment is a recipe for disaster! This whole idea is Stalinism at its best - service delivery will collapse and the municipalities will go further down the drain.
As if the SACP/COSATU comrades are deployed on merit - what a joke!!!

Yes, I do agree with Cosatu that a qualified, deployed per the alliance deployment committee is necessary. This a Clear indication that the ANC for a long time at least, the past ten years has never engaged the alliance partners and there is a lot of so many comrades who will and can ensure that communities are serviced correctly and timeously.

This method will ensure that the ANC provides the best leaders around the country like in the time of Mandela. Leaders then were not deployed only on the basis of them being members of the ANC. They were deployed based on other qualifications and characteristics that appealed to the community hence one still finds the leadership of Reverents in the ANC. The mass democratic movement provided good leaders for that matter.

I also believe that this method of deployment will go a long way of addressing key backlogs. I dont care who thinks what I 'm in this country for good. Whatever works for the greater good of the country I will support because I happen to participate at branches of the ANC. I m not an armchair critic!

Viva Allianace,Viva!

Yeah Yeah.All the alliance will do is deploy there own incompetent idiots to screw things up even more.

Someone is lying here. Firstly, councillors are not DEPLOYED they come through a nomination process in branches. These processes are contained in the ANC constitution. Hence alliance partners must subject their preferred candidates to the processes within ANC branches. Secondly, incompetent and indisciplined councillors must be subjected to ANC procedures. If ANC can recall a President, why can councillors not be recalled. However, when it comes to incompetency then COSATU knows very well how these must be dealt with. Indiscipline and incompetencies are two different issues. But lets also be honest here, service delivery protests in communities are mostly related to housing shortages and unemployment. Whose responsibility is it do deliver on these? Where are the govt officials such as MP's and govt departments to work with the councillors? I think councillors are scapegoats for govt failure to deliver on housing and jobs. Yes there are corrupt officials and they must be dealt with. But lets not be dismissive of the real issues behind the service delivery protests. Also, if the working class is amongst the most needy, why are they not assisting ANC councillors in the very communities that they come from. Surely, the alliance relationship must exist when it comes to responsibilities as well and not only when positions needs to be filled?

Is the cat is out of the bag or what? maybe COSATU is instigating service delivery protests to for the ANC/Government/Zuma's hand. Oho another thing! by ensconcing lefties in these positions COSATU(read Vavi) wants to use patronage to influence branches in the lead-up to the ANC conference in 2012. Since most ANC members are still drunk with power, they’ve given the keys to COSATU to drive gravy train. No one must feign surprise when they wake up to find Vavi in the Union Buildings.

Kitty Kat: "Firstly, councillors are not DEPLOYED they come through a nomination process in branches." - Hehehe. You are not serious about that are you Kitty?

You probably believe ur statement to be truth as well.

Potential individuals are nominated and when selected by due process, they become nominated councillors. Simple really.

Moxster: And thats how we have the 'cream of the anc crop' running our municipalities.

Sinu, you and people like you, should go and get yourselves a support group and meet regularly, on Mondays:
Sinu: "Hi, my name is Sinu and I am an ANC-hater ..."
All: "Hi Sinu ..."
... and then you proceed to take up your seat next to Evans, Gononder, moloko and the like, but instead of leaving the meeting mentally refreshed, you leave even more resentfull than when you arrive.
(And no, your rantings on this site does not warrant a support group because there are people like 2Boy and Kobus Botha here, who whip your assis every time and expose you for what you are)

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Moxster: Im not an ANC hater. Im a corruption hater. Its not my problem, theres so much corrupt individuals in the ANC.

What you dont get, is when someone steals when in a government position, or cant do his job, it affects, all of us.

I also, never go into personal attacks. Like you guys do. I dont call the person Im debating with names or throw insults around.

Sinu, are you saying that you have never referred to anyone, here, as ANC fanboys ?
(I would hardly imagine you to mean that as a compliment).
See, there is an example of exposing ...

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Come back tomorrow for your next lesson ...

Moxster: What I dont get, is why you support corrupt individuals within government? If I was an ANC supporter and be royally cheesed, if someone I voted into power abuses his power, and embarrasses the party.

Why did you defend Booi, to keep his position, after admitting guilt? Along with the other 4 travelgate guilty still working in the upper echelons of government?

What about Ace? When will he be investigated for his casino bribe? What about his zero service delivery in the Freestate? What about the R30 million he spent on parties and luxury vehicles and gifts?

What about the R2 billion stolen from the Landbank? Why do you cover for the individuals, but still blame land reform issues on the white man?

You will rather let Selebi get off for his crimes, instead of facing justice.

If I was an ANC fanboy, Id be embarrassed at these clowns that people are defending, instead of kicking them out for the good people to take their places.

Fanboy

1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company regardless of if they suck or not.
2. A person who loves something without question.

Moxter: Are you a fanboy or are you not?

Come back tomorrow for your next lesson.

Sinu, I support the ANC and it's endorsement of The Freedom Charter. I do not support individuals. If there are criminals within the organisation (like any other) they will be weeded out.
There is no place for them in the ANC. However, if they are merely accused of crimes (ie. in the media) and have not been convicted, that is another story. This does not mean that I endorse those indivuals who are currently under or awaiting investigation. It merely means that I respect the Bill of rights which includes the right of individual to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. That is our constitution which people (like you) forget contains that particularly important text.

But don't worry, take the day off tomorrow ... go read it again and come back the day after.

Moxster: Thats not the case. Individuals are being 'disciplined' in Lithuli house for their crimes. And thats it. No justice.

As for all the 'innocent' people in government, why are there billions missing?

Why is BAE being charged for paying R1 billion bribes to South African government officials?

What happened to Niehaus? Booi?
They both confessed guilt, but where was the jailtime?

'Individuals' are protected with the ANC, every loophole is used, preventing justice from being done.

Nobody is accountable. Did you read the news on Duarte, following our discussion, and how much money SHE lost on her baby project? R2-3 BILLION for nothing. Yet, her incompetence, got her a job running the military?

Moxster: Imagine the public operated like the ANC.

Mr. Fidentia Brown (as an example) would just have to confess his crime, and apologise to the country, and cry a little to show remorse.

Then, he keeps his job running Fidentia. He only has to repay half of his stolen profits, and he doesnt have to go to jail.

I have a list here of 14 government officials, who pleaded guilty to stealing. But they all still have their jobs.

Barbara Thompson, Ruth Bhengu, Bathabile Dlamini, Jabu Sosibo, Beauty Dlulane and Patrick Maloyi. To name a few.

@ Moxster...do not waste your time on peeps such as sinu....it just aint worth it. See when engaging in the battle of ideas one must at some point accept that on the balance of probabilities therein should be something which we call the truth. For these there is no balanced view to link the dots. It is just a hatred of something very very deep. So please accept that there are some amongst us who need the help of psychiatry..
Point to make is that ANC has open and transparent democratic processes. They are not infiltrated by 'white males' who fund influence in order to find themselves in parliament. Also, you will find that these businessmen operate on patronage and favour. It is a multi-layered beneficial relationship between various service providers etc. For eg, how do you explain a law firm having to pay allegiance to DA in WCape and pledging that they will not act in the interest of anybody else...it is that covert!
Also let's reiterate, members of alliance partners are members of ANC, there should therefore be no problem for them to subject themselves to ANC processes. Hence my suggestion that someone is speaking here on assumption and not the truth!

Kitty Kat: Agliotti who funded influence with Selebi. What about all the 'bribes' doing its rounds at Polokwane to 'vote for the right man'. This is on record by the way.

How do you explain cadres who dont have a CLUE about the department they are running (Sisulu).

You dont even try and debate my points Kitty. You dont try and disprove me. You merely tell me I need 'psychiatric help'.

That is what a loser in a debate does. Attacks the person, not the points.

Kitty Kat: So the SACP and ANC are one in the same? But the one is democratic, and the other is communist?

"Hence my suggestion that someone is speaking here on assumption and not the truth!" - I am speaking from observation.

Care to expand on my Fidentia Brown example?

Why dont we excuse Mr. Brown from his corruption, and give him his job back? Its what the ANC does, isnt it?

The problem with ppl who sing from the same hymn sheet is simply that they are unable to sing the hymn in a variety of tunes. It is important that one should always be influenced by new ideas its what we call the process of learning and growing. But then there are some amongst us who are as fictitious as the "POINTS" they try to make.It is clear that when we had the time to educate ourselves around various issues there was indoctrination happening in various corners of South Africa. The result of this indoctrination is the type of views as expressed by the 'sinus' of this world. Hence why should I educate these types? It their responsibility to educate themselves. One cannot engage on this level, it is just way to pedestrian and juvenile. Apples and Oranges..Anyone? or should it be Apples or Oranges?

Kitty Kat: So help educate me then Kitty. By answering my questions.

Why do WE, allow corrupt individuals within government. Did you read the names I posted, of corrupt ANC politicians, who have confessed guilt, but still work in the upper levels of government?

"The same old tunes" - but why are you not addressing them?

Why do I have to point these issues out?

Please stop writing paragraph after paragraph of sweet nothing. And actually 'debate' with me.

Hey Im sure there are some ppl who suffer from attention defiency syndrome, its just so high maintenance.
Ok,sinu oh ye little one who needs attention:
THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RHETORIC AND DEBATE!
so please go and play with your toys and do not disturb me!

Kitty Kat: Well, at least other people are debating this issue now:

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-10-08-tracking-crooked-comrades
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-10-08-da-launches-crooked-comrades-campaign

Thanks for your 'input' kitty.

Lefties are useless and will only make a bad situation worse.

A thief is a thief and incompetence is embarassingly expensive at best. It's been sometime now that I don't give a shit about the politics anymore. Whether we look left or right all that shines is theft and incompetence. I am apolitical and agnostic. I don't care about the colour, size and age of the lot in charge or whether they wear suits or have tits, I want a system that works, period. I care about the fucking money, taxpayer's money. Money=service delivery=education=development=progress. It doesn't matter who is in charge, results and solutions are needed.
Instead we have an administration that's laughing at the nation it is supposed to take care of. The previous administration weren't abunch of angels either with theft but there were more selective with who could put their hand in the kitty and more secretive. Now we have transparency so the theft is done wholesale and in the open with a 'in your face,dude, attitude' . Which is worse?
Accountabily-0
Discipline-0
Due process for the above-0
Justice-0
We might eventually land up looking like the Phillipines when Marcos left, not because of fear, but because there wasn't 50 bucks worth of anything left to steal. Stop stripping the nation bare, for fuck's sake, and begin governing the country properly. Not for my sake, but for the millions that are still living in abject poverty.

It would be wise for Cosatu and Sacp to stay out of local government, as the people are really fed-up with municipal officials with their bottomless pockets.
Promises and political soft soaping are not going to work anymore, as the people want service delivery and want it now!.
The people are not blind to the facts they see around them anymore either.

Kitty Kat you remind me of the monkey - see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Go ahead! keep your head buried in the sand.
Just as the whites did in the apartheid error, denying the wrongs that were happening to their fellow black South Africans.
I see such a strong similarity between the Apartheid governmentand the ANC that it is scary.