Glenn Agliotti lambasted for lying

I wonder if Leonard Chuene has been running classes?

The state must dismiss this case. Why continue to listen to a liar.

"Cilliers also attempted to introduce into evidence a video that had been made of the meeting on January 4, which Cilliers said, “may very well lead to the end of the state’s case”."

The state has no case. The media, together with the NPA, have embarked on a smear-campaigned aimed at discrediting Selebi, who is a well respected figure internationally...

NPA, leave it alone, Agglioti confessed that Selebi did not recieve the R1million and that the document handed to him was not an illegal act...

Why are we still continuing with this case? The state is clearly fighting a losing battle with ill-intent in the mix...

I would've liked Pikoli on the stand...
Let's get it out of all of them ... hang them out to dry ...
The Unusual Suspects: Agliotti, Pikoli, McCarthy, Bululani, Leask, etc....... and for good measure, somma Zille as well (she moss want to be part of everything).

The Moxster

I am surprised that she has been rather silent on this issue. She has been very vocal about Selebi needing to go to court and is this what it was for?

She is probably waiting for Selebi to be found innocent and then cry foul, as usual... After that, she will announce that she is seeking legal advise for the case... once she gets that she keeps quiet and does nothing about it as usual... Publicity Stunman...

Stop the trial now before they waste more of our taxpayers money.This is just smoke and mirrors ,both will get off scott free.This is just an organised show to keep the uneducated voters happy,any person with half a-brain can see this.Selebi is a high powerd ANC comrade and probably some of the money from Agglioti went into ANC coffers for the election campaign,and Agglioti knows too much about the ANC.

Let the case run its course. Let the witnesses and evidence speak for itself. If Selebi is innocent, then the ANC fanboys, or Selebi, have nothing to worry about.

2boy The One

Jaap knows the video is not going to be admitted as evidence, but it was important for him to make a value judgement about the state's case anyway. JC is merely playing to the peanut gallery and predictably, you respond. The court decides on facts, not conjecture. These days everyone who's in trouble with the law alleges conspiracy, always without proof. People will do anything to save their own asses - it's a human trait. Tell me, does lying about lying mean you're actually telling the truth?

This entire case stinks to high heaven – it is deteriorated into a complete farce. It looks as if the guilty will be set free again and I’m convinced there is something behind the allegations of corruption.

But I suppose we need to remember that the NPA are completely bias and as Selebi is not a Zuma man, they will do their best to send him down – irrespective of whether there is any evidence against him.

Stop wasting taxpayers money this case is over before is over.

Concerned Citizen

The only way to find out if the state has any evidence against an accused is in a court of law. Correct? It's the court's job to sift through all the bullsh!t. Correct?

Colin August

Your staement would make sense if it was credible however it is not!! What we are seeing is the end of a smear campaign against Selebi. The NPA's "star" witness is being broken down and has admitted that he did not bribe Selebi, it was proven that he never recieved any documents that were "classified and confidential" but were puiblic knowledge, he also admitted to using Selebi's name without Selebi knowing!!!

The nature of cross-examinations is to affirm or destroy the witnesses testimony! In this case, it is clear that Agglioti has been lying! the only people that played to the peanut gallery is "perfect pikoli" and his prosecution team to the likes of yourself... Agglioti's testimony beared absolutely no evidence and was built around the prosecutions manipulation of affidavits, "typing errors", lies and a false plea-bargain

The State does not have much but lying convicts trying to escape sentencing...

However, the case will continue and if Selebi is found "not guilty" please make no mention of ANC and the constitution as the prosecution is stuffin up this case in front of our eyes...

Why did Selebi ever get involved with these murky underworld gangsters? They will sell their mothers for a few pennies. Those guys are absolutely unscrupulous. It's sad to see Selebi having to go through with this having made some bad life choices.

Nevertheless, there are still many more witnesses that must still testify so the case has a long way to go.

Must say that Jaap Cilliers is a smart lawyer with his line of questioning to discredit the testimony of witnesses and cast reasonable doubt. Lets see how the evidence pans out with all the other witnesses.

For those calling for the case to stop ... that is not going to happen. It will run it's full course with the judge making a ruling on each count on the charge sheet. So fasten your seat belts and enjoy the ride.

Les, I think that Agliotti is the state's only witness ...
And if that be true, this farce of a case should be stopped with immediate effect.
I am not a Selebi fan (shame on me ...), but have now grown admiration for the man, in sticking to his guns.
This has proven to be another trial by media.

Moxster: More witnesses to follow. Watch this space.

I see 2boy is crying 'Conspiracy'.

Sinudeity @gmail.com

drug delears let off the hook, fraudsters left off the hook, false testimonies, delay tactics (from the NPA), all for Selebi...

Let's be realistic my man, this case is a sham and the judgement will prove it! "Perfect pikoli" has dug a very deep hole... and when that judge rules not guilty, then please do not grag the ANC's name into this ne...

Behind every wealth is a great crime and if you can show me an honest Businessman, i will show you a lie. These are some of the sayings I've gotten myself aquainted to & in regard to this case you don't walk around suspecting everybody you see.Agliotti in Selebi's defence doesn't fit the standard profile of a criminal let alone drug lord.Ask yourself the next you with a fellow business or collegue what he wouldn't for a profit or secure a deal & i can assure, your relationships will change.not all business is done in the board room.

“Tell me, does lying about lying mean you're actually telling the truth?”
Its quiet sad that some people are very disappointed that till today we are still waiting hear the “very serious chargers Mr Selebi is facing”. Whether Agliotti is telling the truth or not, as we stand Mr Selebi is innocent. Mr Agliotti I’m sure you are aware that you are spoiling some people’s pre judgements......

Sinu, when I said that Agliotti is the state's only witness, it was not my opinion. It was statement of what I read. This is compliments what I said earlier in that I would've liked for Pikoli to have taken the stand. If found not guilty, Selebi should sue his ass. Pikoli couldn't even follow proper/suggested protocol when pursuing Selebi. Instead he let his blind ambition for fame cloud his judgement.
Actually, I will be the one crying 'Conspiracy' because that is exactly what this case has alluded to thus far.

2boy, I'm not sure that anything has been levelled against Pikoli to be honest. I will concede though that this Agliotti witness is absolutely useless. Anything he has offered is inadmissable surely? Mainly on account of the fact that he seems unable to tell the truth in general. What a show trial. The purpose is clearly to achieve 2 things: a) That the NPA 'is' independant and willing to go after Selebi (who is clearly unsuiatble in his previous role) and b) to ensjure that comrade Selebi is allowed to go free.

2boy: I agree with you there. Letting drug dealers off the hook to catch a corrupt politician is shameful. Especially one of Agliotti's standard.

Instead of crying conspiracy, or shouting for his innocence, standing outside the courtroom, believing your chants can change the matter...

Let the courts decide.

The chief of police is friends with gansters. (finish and klaar!). Thats the smoke. The job of the court is to see if there is a fire. Let the show go on.

@The Moxter. With respect, according to the charge sheet, the state has many witnesses - here is the link http://www.mg.co.za/uploads/2009/10/05/witnesslist.pdf.

This is one of the best books i have ever read in my life. The show must go on. this would bea best seller.

Nahor Ecnarraf

" to ensjure that comrade Selebi is allowed to go free"

Please... who is ensuring that Selebi goes free? It seems that when ANC cadres or people with close ties to them are accused of foul play when found not guilty... Just maybe... just maybe... the guy is innocent... let the court decide, but so far, the NPA is running a circus...

just seems like a win win situation for everyone the way this is panning out 2boy.

2boy The One

My "statement" is actually comment consisting of no less than five statements and one question. Please be specific.

The Moxster

Vusumzi Patrick Pikoli is on the witness list. Please be patient.

2boy The One

Let's invert your argument, shall we? Comrade Schabir Shaik was found guilty of corruption and fraud and was released prematurely on questionable grounds. Your comment on (a) his conviction and (b) his release.

Lokoloyi Leonard Nkosi

I take it you haven't seen the indictment yet? Want a copy?

Colin

I dnt understand why the NPA would destroy its own image and integrity by ensuring an accused's freedom without using the accused as bate. Makes no sense..

We cnt compare this with Schabir however, Schabir was examined by 2 indipendent bodiea which both found that he was indeed to ill to serve his sentence. He was not the first inmate to receive this arrangemrnt and he won't b the last.

But when you say his release was questionable, who was it questionable to; thr medical professionals or the average south africans? The independent medical bpdies that examined mr schaik confirmed that indeed releasing him to serve under house arrest was confirmed. So, who are we to question different medical professionals that were tasked to examine him and came to the same findings?

2boy The One

I didn't ask you to compare Schabir & Selebi. My question is in reponse to "ANC cadres ... are accused ... when found not guilty. You only respond to part b of my question, which is both predictable and useless.

Colin August

with all due respect, you expect me to respont Schaik's conviction, i am not sure what you are getting at. The man was found guilty in the court of law, so he went to jail. Sinmple and plain, ANC cadre or not...

part b, i guess that's what most people say when they don't have any intelligent response...

you were coming along but i guess you saw you were gettin at nothing but a dead-end... so long lil soldier...