Zim Cabinet meet goes ahead despite boycott

So ZANU can run the country without any imput whatsover from the MDC?

What was that about a "Unity" Govt?

Or are you finally going to notice that the "Deal" was nothing more than window dressing by a racist lame duck SA president trying to keep his "Liberation Hero" in power for ever, no matter how many Black African Pesaants he can starve to death just so his wife can sell milk to the Swiss?

Africans are condoning Mugabe because they feel they owe him. That is Bob's modus operandi with everything he does. Unfortunately it is a bit of a 'live by the sword, die by the sword' as he has the same relationship with his war veterans and since he owes them a lot for his position he has to sacrifice first the white farmers (that was easy) and then his own people.

So the west is prepared to sacrifice an entire population for a few former white farmers just to get rid of Mugabe? Funny that the US is prepared to work with Sudan where more people are being killed by the Arabs than engage Mugabe. The US is even prepared to lift sanctions against Burma and North Korea but will continue to impose sanctions on Zimbabwe. The only difference between these countries and Zimbabwe is white farmers. Karzai stuffs ballot boxes with millions of fake ballot papers and the US and EU are still happy with him because he is their pet. In Zimbabwe Tsvangirai only needs to make allegations without any sort of proof or eveidence and what he says is the gospel truth.

I am not surprised that its mainly white people most likely former Rhodies writing on this forum sounding aggrieved by Mugabe for obvious reasons. People should spare us the crocodile tears about human rights concerns in Zimbabwe when they are willing to look the other way in Sudan, Burma and North Korea. This is the sort of inconsistance that SADC will not buy into that's why all these former Rhodies writing here are angry. SADC will not be used to perpertuate the skewed land ownership of the past under the guise of reigning in Mugabe. SADC will not be used to install western puppets because only God knows where it will stop.

SA and Namibia are next with the land issue. Mugabe has started a revolution that will burn long after he is gone. To the Rhodies, glory days are clearly over and this is another battle you will certainly concede.

@Fungai

As a black man I feel I have to respond to your diluted poison.Zanu pf had been pushing the MDC from day one. they kept pushing and they knew this was gonna happen one day, the only thing that surprises me is why are people like you obviously blinded by your haterate for white people you can not see Mugabe for who he is DICTATOR.

Long before the MDC in the 1985 elections, zanu was going to win no doubt but still they had to beat up the ndebele people in the cities as well as not develop matebeleland. Foe zanu its about FIXING anyone who does not agree with them. If they are not ndebele then they are being fed by the WHITE MAN.

HOW SAD

Stix, dictator by whose definition? Mugabe has held elections consistently since 1980. He even brought forward the elections from 2010 to 2008. If you can give me a universal definition of dictatorship that will help me respond to your ill informed response to my earlier posting. I wonder why you feel the need to defend Rhodies knowing their history?

As for the 1980's everyone knows that those were the formative years of our democracy and fun enough the same western countries gave those 1985 elections a ringing endorsement. Violence was both sides, ndebele against Shona etc. Kambuzuma and Entumbane come to mind.

Will SADC and the AU do anything about it?

http://richmarksentinel.com/rs_articles_contributors.asp?conid=5&recid=135&pcurr=1

The following dialogue spells out the attitude of the African and other subject peoples:

‘Away with Hitler! Down with him!’ said the British officer.
‘What’s wrong with Hitler?’ asked the African.
‘He wants to rule the whole world,’ said the British officer.
‘What is wrong with that?’asked the African
‘ He’s German, you see,’ said the British officer, trying to appeal subtly to the African’s tribal consciousness.

‘What’s wrong with his being German?’asked the African
‘You see,’ began the British officer, trying to explain it in terms that would be conceivable to the African mind, ‘it is not good for one tribe to rule another. Each tribe must rule itself. That’s only fair. A German must rule Germans, an Italian, Italians and a Frenchman, French people.’

@Fungayi.
Few yeas ago i could have agreed with your mentality but not now Fungayi. This is 2009 and the world is a global village and we can not isolate ourselves anymore even if Mugabe is right on land issue he did it in a wrong way at the wrong time , period. I come from a farming area in chegutu and when i went back home to visit recently , with the devastation i saw on land and the ecological balance which zimbabwe used to have destroyed , my only conclusion is that Land reforms were wrong and was not done properly in an educated manner and therefore i do not support your views. I also think that it is common sense that Mugabe is a dictator and one of the worst in the world. You know this yourself unless you are telling me that you have never travelled out of africa where information is very limited. Worse still , he is not a full Zimbabwean , his father is a malawian and according to our Zezuru culture he is not supposed to be our leader .Having a Zezuru mother does not make Mugabe a full Zezuru. Our country was ruled by a Mubwidi ( third class citizen who changed his surname from Matibili to Mugabe) for 29 years and he killed our people as well as destroying our economy.He has no right to tell white minority that they are not Zimbabwean as he is not as well. So Fungayi , I really wonder why you have placed all your trust in him unless you are not a full Zimbabwean as well.

Fungayi Dzvinyangoma there are no Rhodies in Zimbabwe you stupid man. And for your interest Mugabe murdered 30,000 Ndebele Africans in the 1980's and has been murdering the opposition ever since. You must be a zanupf stupid who has been told to write things like you do on forums like these. We know of you people posing as ordinary citizens. Also for your interest, mugabe has never fairly won an election even the one in 1980. He just murders and cheats his way to win. Clever guy even won the last one when he was the only candidate. You must have the same disease as he has, dementure, if you support him. And you must be as big a racist as him as well. Maybe Gordon Brown should kick the black men off all land in the UK if that's the general attitude and all black people should be sent back to Africa (Africa is for black people mugabe says)instead of sitting back and making stupid comments like you do from the comfort of the white mans achivements. Peter Macklyn Harare resident

Fungayi
I am a Zimbabwean who grew up in Zimbabwe and left the country in 2005. Lets say as it is. Elections have never been free nor fair from 2000 thats why obsevers are not allowed in Zimbabwe. It pains me when you say 'without any source of proof or evidence'. By hiding the evils done by Mugabe and Zanu PF will not bring glory to the country. People have been divided politically and land given to anyone who is not known to be sympathetic to MDC. What Zimbabwe needs is national healing and reconciliation so that we become one nation. How can we teach our children to kill and harrass people who have different political opinion with us. Why do you cry of West when we continue to oppress each other and lie to the world about the true pictures of the country. Evils have been done to Zimbabweans by Zimbabweans. Mugabe unleashing miltia and army against his on people and tells the world about the evils done by the West. The West will never develop Zimbabwe but it is the responsibility of Zimbabweans. How can Mugabe hate his own people because they support Tsvangirayi. Be it Tsvangirayi is a puppet of the West who has the right to send thugs to beat people who support him?. Is it the Western people who voted MDC? We were once colonised by whites and now oppressed by Mugabe. I am a proffessional who is legal employed outside Zimbabwe but my heart is painful when I think of my fellow countrymen who are suffering back home. Your comments make sense to those who have never set foot in Zimbabwe. You cant hide the truth as they said 'THE TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL'

Dear Fungayi Dzvinyangoma,

My wife is Black Zim, currently living in SA as a Refugee, or do you also have something against race mixing because you want to bring back the Apartheid Immorality Act, as the idea I have more Black African Relatives than you, since my wife is one of eight, never occured to you?

Incidentally, if you're interested, the militia has started trying to kill MDC supporters again, and what does the "White Rhodies" (President Barack Obama, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize) got to do with that?:

http://www.swradioafrica.com/news201009/mdcactivist201009.htm

Alisdair Budd, please note that it's not about the race of your wife or how many black relatives you have because if you go that route you wll be left wanting. It's obvious that your knowledge of black relatives is limited. If your wife is one of eight and I am one of ten, does that mean anything to you.

It is interesting to note that your source of information is SWradio a pirate station whose only thrust is to spew propaganda, anti Mugabe unsubstantiated claims. If you told me that one of your wife's many black relatives more than mine told you I might listen but with a pinch of salt. I wonder why your wife is living as a refugee in SA and you are not?

If you read my earlier posting I said that the MDC and their numerous foreign based mouthpieces only need to make claims and the Rhodies will jump on it hook line and sinker. I am a Zimbabwean 100% so you can't tell me nothing. SWradio is based in the UK and their sources are just as good as Agliotti's testimonies.

Amos Makoba you need to calm down and listen to yourself. Ask yourself the coincidence of MDC coming on the scene in 2000 and all of sudden we here a new term "rigging" in our electoral vocabulary? MDC has this mistaken belief that just because people voted No enmasse against the draft constitution all that translated into votes for them. It is also interesting how the 2005 elections are conveniently ommitted when people talk about Zimbabwe's electoral outcomes. MDC performed dismally in those elections and it is in the regime change brigade's interests to ignore that bit.

It is interesting that the lie about land being given only to Zanu PF loyalists is believed even by informed people like you as you claim to be a professional. 7 MDC-T MPs were arrested for abusing the RBZ farm inputs scheme and I wonder where they got the farms from. They are all A2 farmers. MDC-T Senator Obert Gutu is a well known beneficiary of land reform, Welshman Ncube is another.

I like the part where you say you can't hide the truth because as you say the truth is already emerging. The Rhodie hand is becoming more visible guiding Tsvangirai's constant flip flop policy shifts. Believe it or not what I am stating is in agreement with whats happening on the ground in Zimbabwe. You are listening to the wrong sources whose only wish is to see Mugabe humiliated. The only people who hate they fellow country man are Tsvangirai, Biti and Chamisa who are agreeing to be used as a front by Rhodies. They openly campaigned for sanctions against their own country wit Tsvangirai even suggesting that Mbeki cut off electricity and fuel supplies. How low can one sink?

Fungi,

Pull the other one - it's got bells on it.

Has everybody now noticed that Fungayi Dzvinyangoma is a a rabid ZANU fan?

PS my wife is a refugee and I am not since I am a British Citizen by birth and she has to apply for a visa for settlement as my wife, which is what we are doing. Citizenship by marriage no longer being automatic in this country.

Never occured to you that White people would suffer the immigration system did it?

Alisdair, what does it matter to you as a British Citizen which Zimbabwean party I am a supporter of? I wouldn't certainly care whether you were a rabib BNP, Conservative, UKIP, Labour or Lib Dem supporter. It's called freedom of choice and association which our gallant freedom fighters led by Mugabe and Nkomo sacrficed for and brought us.

It seems to me the only person suffering the immigration is your black wife and not you. You sound privilleged enough in SA courtesy of your colour of course. My question though is why are you so obsessed with Zimbabwe when you do not live there? You need to school yourself on Zimbabwe's history pre 2000 before you can make all those ill informed rabid comments you always make. While at it consider Britain's history past and present. Instead you should be at the forefront of lobying your government to honour their part of the Lancaster House agreement and compensate former white farmers. Demonising Mugabe is definetely not going to benefit them.

It also sounds to me like your wife is playing the SA immigration system by falsely claiming asylum so she can stay with you. You certainly cannot blame Mugabe for the complexities of the SA immigration system. A lot of people tell lies for too long and end up believing their own lies like you and your Zimbabwean wife.

@Fungayi, Alisdair Budd discusses the race of his wife as a reference point to discuss things, and not as a matter of "race" . His right in saying there are many Zimbabwean refugees in South Africa and most of this is bad policies in Zimbabwe.

And please, focus on the subject matter and not personalize issues!

There is no way that the Zanu-PF apologist Fungayi is in Zimbabwe. The electricity is never on long enough to type all that out and no Zimbabwean will wait for 5 internet connections just to comment on a story. I do like the company Zimbabwe gets to keep. Burma and North Korea! As for "So the west is prepared to sacrifice an entire population for a few former white farmers just to get rid of Mugabe?" It's the west, it's the west? Why is it that the "west" must come and help Zimbabwe now? The "west" didn't destroy the value of the "dollar" or commercial agriculture in Zimbabwe. The Zanu-PF did that all on it's own. Now it's sitting there like a baby which has crapped it's nappy and is rubbing it all over it's face. No one wants to touch it... other than momma MDC which has tried. The sad part of it all is that the entire population is being sacrificed... not for some white farmers... but on Zimbabwe's own altar of racial stupidity. The amount of formerly productive agricultural land withdrawn from service and the low yields the new farmers are getting on the remaining land makes famine inevitable. Like expecting cholera to return if you don't have proper water treatment facilities or if ALL the sewerage pumping stations are broken (Bulawayo) or if the UN stops GIVING you water treatment chemicals and you can't afford them.

Zodwa's stop trying to curry favour with the Rhodies it gets you nothing but the label "Good African".

Marius de Kock, for your info I live in the UK as a highly skilled migrant courtesy of Mugabe's policy of Education for all. I visit Zimbabwe regularly because I did not have to lie about being a victim of Mugabe like most Rhodie apologists. I benefitted from the land redistribution policy and my small piece of land is very productive. I know it's all Rhodies' wish for agriculture in Zimbabwe to fail but we are very patient people and it will come to pass. The green shoots of recovery are beginning to show. The world's appetite for Rhodie woes in Zimbabwe will soon fade as your puppet Cde Boycott Tsvangson is exposed for his lack of strategy, selfishness and puppetry.

Peter Macklyn, just put in reverse what you said about Gordon Brown and see how stupid it sounds. I won't waste my time on you.

Fungayi the landgrabber lives in the UK, farms in Zimbabwe. It's "farmers" like Fungayi who are responsible for the decrease in yields. You are killing your own people by being a cellphone farmer. Ever think of that? Did you include that you are a thieving landgrabber in your visa application? Probably not.

Marius de Kock, the only land grabbers I know are the Rhodies. My visa application form unfortunately did not have a question on land ownership I would have gladly disclosed that I benefitted from land restitution from the colonial thieves. The important thing is that my farm is productive as my family are working on it and I am financing it.

Hey Fungayi
It is all very well to sit in the UK and look at Zimbabwe through your rose tinted glasses and spout your nonsense. Life is cushy for people in the UK. So next time you go to Zimbabwe for your two week break; flashing your British pounds and private education; take off those glasses and have a proper look at what is going on!!!
I wonder how much praise you would lavish on Mugabe if you were living in Zimbabwe, suffering like everyone else. Actually you would be one of his hencemen benefit from the corruption and living a life of luxury at your fellow Zimbabwians expenes.

Hey Fungayi
Whats that expression: don't bite the hand that feeds you:
Colonial thiefs; bit of a hypocrite then; living a life of luxury in the UK while condemning them at the same time!!! Take off those rose tinted glasses next time you are on your annual two week holiday; flashing your british pounds and british education; and take a good hard look at Zimbabwe. You need a reality check!!!

Fungayi... Why are you living in the UK if Zimbabwe really is so great? Why have you abandoned your people and taken your undeniable skills to serve the white enemy in the UK while the people at home are starving... because you are producing so little with your land. Grace Mugabe has 4 farms... 3 are lying fallow and the fourth is producing a 6th of what it used to. The question you should have answered properly in your visa application was the one about "human rights abuses" and what you did to the previous farmer on the basis of the colour of his skin?

Marius de Kock, it's called freedom of movement that's why I am in the UK. If you can tell me whose rights I have abused that would help. The previous farmer happened to be a member of the British house of lords and Britain should compensate him under the Lancaster House agreement.

Megan, Britain was built on African wealth. I have not dispossesed anyone of their land in the UK but I have certainly taken what is rightfully mine in Zimbabwe. For you info I attended government schools only courtesy of Gushungo's education for all policy. In case you haven't heard, I am in the UK as a highly skilled migrant courtesy of Mugabe's education policy.

Marius de Kock, you've probably not heard the latest. The richest person in Britain is an Indian called Mittal. There are many different races in the UK other than whites, just like Zimbabwe and SA.

Like Mugabe has said repeatedly white people are not being chased away from Zimbabwe. We are just redistributing land to everyone white people included. 75 white farmers have benefitted in Mashonaland Central alone.

land land to the people

Fungayi
Distributing land and killing your own people. Zanu PF is as evil as white colonialists. Hating your own people. Silly