Zim leaders 'poles apart' as unity talks stall

Tsvangirai c'mon, Zanu PF has already made a lot of concessions.........do you want to learn how to run government or not????

@ Proudly South African,
If you KNOW NOTHING its best you SHUT UP!!

It was not a question of if but of when is this unity government going to collapse. Any recovery in Zimbabwe will never be possible as long as Robert Mugabe is in the picture. Unfortunately SADC is just another barking dog with no teeth, so I don't see how they will be an answer to Zim's problems. On the other hand calling new elections that are going to be held in such an enviroment will purely put Mugabe back into power.

The only option is for everybody, SADC in particular, to tell Mugabe where to get off, impose sanctions on him and his wife, and cronies until he agrees to resign. If that happens I for one will support that he be granted immunity from any prosecution.And in the interest of peace allow him to retire to South Afrca. SA tax payers can fund a house for him at Camp's Bay in Cape Town.and on top of that get him a Professorship at UCT in African studies, where he can teach fellow African leaders on how not to become dictators.


That is the least we can do to liberate Zim and Africa hey!:)

The entire world is apart from the likes of Robert Mugabe. His excuses are few, but his pockets full. It looks like: how much can we steal, how is brother bob dealing with this, oh, we have a bit more time.

if and only if we had say 3 KHAMAs in the region. Mwanawasa had the guts though.

Tony Marcus,

We are not able to intelligently debate issues because of foul-mouthed morons like you.........maybe you should take a leaf from your diatribe!!!

The London-based Legatum Institute, an independent research, policy and advocacy organisation that promotes political, economic and individual liberty in the developing and transitioning world, has just published its 2009 Prosperity Index. No prizes for guessing Zimbabwe's ranking (read further if you can't guess).

The Prosperity Index is the world's only global assessment of wealth and wellbeing. The Index finds that the most prosperous nations in the world are not necessarily those that have only a high GDP, but are those that also have happy, healthy, and free citizens.

The top 10 countries are: 1) Finland 2) Switzerland 3) Sweden 4) Denmark 5) Norway 6) Australia 7) Canada 8) Netherlands 9) United States 10) New Zealand

The bottom 10 countries are: 95) Kenya 96) Algeria 97) Tanzania 98) Nigeria 99) Pakistan 100) Cameroon 101=) Central African Republic 101=) Yemen 103) Sudan 104) ZIMBABWE

Proudly_South African Proudly_South African on October 27, 2009, 10:27 am.
Insulting people and calling them morons is not going to help the debate if you want it to be intelligent.
One should not forget that the MDC actually won the election and in any civilised country that means that the winner decides on the government. You would then have an executive PM running the country and a president without power for the formalities. Unless of course you think Mugabe actually won the election but then I would not call myself PSAPSA. Are you actually proud of SA's role in this whole business?

Surely by now, after all this time and the many previous precedents set, everyone must by now realize that neither SADC nor the AU have any intention, whatsoever, of being fair arbitrators in this ongoing dispute! Neither is it a question of them lacking the will or teeth to intervene as some observers naively tend to believe. The plot goes a whole lot deeper and actually involves a coalition comprised of most of these pseudo Marxist orientated leaders in this region who have vowed to protect and safeguard each others interests regardless of the harm or damage they may cause. And standing right behind them encouraging them are the neocolonials from Asia who would very much like to see this continent wiped clean of any Western competition. How long is it going to take the rest of the world to register what is actually going on here!

@Proudly_South African Proudly_South African

Leaving aside your spat with Tony Marcus for the time being, are you serious about your pro ZanuPF statements? Even more importantly, are you proud as a South African about our country's involvement in the Zimbabwe problem. Moral, ethical leadership will have used our power and influence to sort out this problem by now for the good of all in Zimbabwe and Southern Africa. Except of course the corrupt thieving leaders of ZanuPF.

Mbeki was criminal in his neglect and partisanship. Zuma simply says and does nothing. Maybe he should be nicknamed Buddha.

Its tragic, dont you agree?

It is quite surprising that some non-Zimbabwean sympathise with the majority of Zimbabweans under Mugabe's terror while some Zimbabweans sing Mugabe's praises. the truth is as long as Mugabe is in control, the liberation struggle will continue to mean nothing to ordinary Zimbabweans.

Alan Watkins all the leaders that are being touted as having the balls to tackle Mugabe are just as partisan. Khama housed Tsvangirai for 2 months and called Mugabe names. At least Mbeki, Zuma, Guebuza, Kabila, Mswati, Dos Santos and Pohamba have not openly backed or attacked either party. You can only speculate on where their loyalties lie but that's neither here nor there.

The EU and US have made their preference known which SADC or AU haven't. The only reason why TSvangirai will not get anywhere with any of his demands is because he has too many advisors whose only desire is to humiliate Mugabe and SADC will not stand for that.

Mugabe helped SA achieve majority rule, he helped Mozambique end a bitter civil war, he helped Namibia achieve independence from the Boers, helped Angola defeat Unita and DRC's Kabila is guarded by Zimbabwe's elite military squad and he also helped drive out Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi when Desiree Kabila was still alive. He extended a hand of reconciliation to those who imprisoned him for eleven years and tortured him in the process for his political beliefs and they used the same hand to slap him across the face. Now they are paying the price.

All Tsvangirai has ever done is call press conferences to denounce his country. He has called for sanctions which SADC leaders have on record which is why they do not take him seriously. It might gaul you our fair skinned cousins because you are on the receiving end on land and are using Tsvangirai as a front but tough luck on that. SADC will not be used against its own people.

I will say it again, Tsvangirai is getting desparate. He does not know whether he is coming or going.

@ Proudly Saouth African

Yes, you're right. I overreacted and this forum should allow unfettered debate. Maybe I'm too close to the heat to participate today. Enjoy the exercise.

@ Alan Watkins, Thanks buddy. With SADC run by the three withsches: SNE, HNE and SPKNE and the Lord of the Hill is Buddah, Zim is getting caught quite fast in the tragic Somali Dance of Death.

@Tony Marcus
I do agree with you that discussions should be unfettered but respectful of others views as well..Tony Marcus you are still talking your rubbish!!! Zimbabwe tragic somali...SADC represents 250 million people. All issues in Southern Africa are dealt thru this body. SADC represents the most democratic part of Africa. EU/UN/USA do respect SADC leaders take on issues.

You talk aparthied language and typical white spoiled brats out of colonialism and apartheid..That is my unfettered comment!!!

@proudly_south_african
You are so right. Morgans mob are a bunch of whingers. It's high time comrade bob locks the lot of them up and throws away the key.