Zim does U-turn on rights expert's visit

The usual nonsence has rocked the UN expert

I wonder why. Considering that ZANU just started abducting MDC members once again:

http://www.sokwanele.com/thisiszimbabwe/archives/5032

It's telling when people who have nothing to hide would cancel a visit by a torture expert.

Mugabe has done this before, agree to let outside observors in to investigate the human rights violation and then cancel the visit the last minute. What organisations like the UN fail to understand is if Mugabe can toy with UN Officials like this; how much more is he doing to the poor Zimbabwean with no social status or newspaper to give him/her a voice deep rural Zimbabwe! Of course to the UN Official this was just another asignment; to the victims of these human rights violations it hell on earth or worse - their very lives are at stake!

This guy was just coming to pick up his prepacked report from Harvest House that's why he has been stopped. There is no torture in Zimbabwe. He needs to go to Abu Graib, Guantanamo, Helmand, Kandahar, Pershawa, London, Washington to use his expertise. We never heard of his visit to these places or any meeting he had with ex-detainees from Guantanamo. He must have been a torturer before. How else can he be an expert in this area?

The day Mugabe dies, will be a new holiday celebrated all across the world. People will visit Zim from all over, to dance on his grave.

Dzvinyangoma: Im assuming you are living in South Africa? Not Zimbabwe?

Yeah as Fungayi bleated. There is no torture in Zim. It's all a myth. Even his Holiness Bobert the first was "misquoted" when he allegedly said ZANY pf had degrees in violence and that if you don't jump when the police say so, you deserve everything you get and more.

The fact that a large portion of his sham "government" are pissed at him and will probably not play happy families for him, hiding all that shows him in a bad light, is totally irrelevant.

Now you gotta ask yourself, is Fungayi related to that Iraqi information minister who said "All is well, we are winning" when Allied tanks were driving past the windows of the place he was holding the press conference?

Or is he Johnathan Munga Moyo in disguise?

Sinudeity even if I was living on Mars what does it matter to you. The important thing is that I am a Zimbabwean.

When Mugabe dies the whole of Africa, African Americans, West Indies, Pacific Islands, Aborigines and Maoris will stand still to honour a hero and a gallant warrior. There will definetely be a celebration of a life lived to the fullest.

Only Rhodies will dance on his grave but we all know what will happen to them. If the world did not dance on Verwood, Botha and Ian Smith's graves why would they dance on Mugabe's? Can you tell us smart one?

SA did not have a holiday for Botha's death I am sure you asked for it but you were a lone voice.

Dzvinyangoma haufunge, haula nqhondo. Mugabe was never elected and that is why Khama will never regard him as leader without GPA and for your own information people now know who they are dealing with; Tanzania is tired of him, Botswana we leave it for you, SA vari kuti ava kufa saka ngatisiyaneyi naye, Moscans had their elections today free & fair no bases or beating each other. Saka I am very surprised that a visitor will hear nothing and hear nothing as you want us to believe. Our day shall come all these resources you are wasting dzicha kudzokerayi, remember Banda, Amin and others like him.

Jason Olivier, myths travel half way round the world before the truth can even put on its shoes. Ask yourself why it's so easy to get negative news about Zimbabwe and Africa?

I see you support the concept of imposed democracy and wars based on lies.

Dzvinyangoma: You are Zimbabwean. The question is, are you living in Zimbabwe? Why are so many other Zimbabweans living in South Africa?

Is it because of our nice weather?

Or because, you have a mass murdering, senile, insane, corrupt, self serving, disillusioned, thieving president?

Sinudeity, we had a lot of Azanians in Zimbabwe when you were hounding them from SA during your glorious apartheid days. Guess what, the same murdering president gave them shelter, education and protection. Your apartheid terrorists killed our people in Bulawayo just trying to eliminate Mbeki. South Africans/Azanians are should be the last to complain about Zimbabweans in SA. That's why the SA government has relaxed visa requirements. We gave up so much for their freedom.

I can understand aparthied agents and beneficiaries like you Sinudeity. Not to worry though the borders are coming down soon, maybe you can then move to Oz.

Fungus
I pause for a moment to point out the obvious: surely in even making the comparison between the persecuted masses in Zimbabwe during the 80's and those in present day South Africa, aren't you admitting that there is a common denominator...OPPRESSION! Methinks the bean counter's logic has ground to a halt.

Dzvinyangoma: apartheid arguments are irrelevant to me. I had no part in events that unfolded before I was born. Nor do the kids, teenagers and young adults of Zimbabwe. From their perspective, having opposition members arrested and tortured, not having food and living in poverty is apartheid. Except, the president isnt white.

The thing that I just dont understand, is how the currently oppressed, will remain oppressed, because of something someone did almost 30 years ago.

My continent has a history of its liberators becoming oppressors.

Amandla, to the new generation of independent thinking Africans who wount let that happen again.

Surprise... surprise!!!

This Fugayi is a real Zanu PF propaganda tool,CIO or Jonathan Moyo. He is benefiting from Mugabe's oppressive rule thats why you see how he praises the tyrant. We are talking of the events happening in Zimbabwe right now he talks of colonialism and land reform. Whatever you call Tsvangirai he is allowed to be a politician in Zimbabwe. Violence will increase because Mugabe and his cronies feel pained by MDC's decision to withdraw from the government as it sends a clear message that the GNU is not functioning well. MDC must withdraw from this GNU. Even the Rhodies are suprised how an African leader can turn against his own people. How long will this Blacksmith Mugabe 'Ian Smith in a black skin' continue to terrorise poor Zimbabwean people. All people who are a threat to him faced arrests and charged from the time of Ndabaningi Sithole. When someone told me that Jestina Mukoko has been accused of trying to topple Mugabe I laughed thinking it was a joke. Tell me you FUNGAYI , 'Where is the the rebel army which Mukoko leads?. I feel sorry for MDC activists because the dictator is thirst now he wants some more blood. The Blacksmith is very angry and is unleashing militia.

Dear Sinudeity @gmail.com,

"Amandla, to the new generation of independent thinking Africans who wount let that happen again"

What like Gabon, where the son took over for the father, like Egypt where the same seems to be happening, like Libya where the same happens, Like Tunisia or Algeria or Mozambique that have ruling elites and biased elections with no real opposition, Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia, Congo etc etc etc?

And SA is showing all the wrong signs, most notably its protection of Mugabe, funding of him, apparent selling of arms to him etc etc etc...

ECOWAS suspending Niger is a bit little a bit too late for most of the rest of Africa.

Our Friend Fungayi is a fraud, living in the UK reaping all the benefits the place has to offer so it's easy for him to glorify Mugabe because he is out of touch with reality!!!!
And he proberbly was not even born when Mugabe came to power so has no idea what Zimababwe was like previously.
So much for being such an anti- Colonialist, bit of a self righteous so and so!!!

Alisdair, I would be concerned about the BNP winning parliamentary seats in the UK as precursor to them actual coming to power at some point if I were you. Africa is in good hands as we have never said we do not want anyone because of the colour of their skin.

I would also be concerned about Britain selling arms to Israel because it actually uses them against innocent people. You are showing the same symptoms of white is right and black well, cannot be trusted with their own lives. The EU declared the Afghan elections as fair even with overwhelming evidence of fraud. That's how trusted the EU or your British opinion is when it comes to Africa.

You think the two party state that exists in the UK, US and most of Europe is any different to say Mozambique or is your interest is just to see some puppet come to power? You need to deal with your own biased electoral system first before you can lecture Africa. Right now it's a foregone conclusion that the Conservatives will win the next general election just like it was in the US with the Democrats. Don't criticise Tunisia, Algeria or Mozambique because your European system is not any better. Infact don't patronise Africans.

Fungayi,
You and your Zanu PF masters shouldn’t be too concerned about the UN. Time and time again they have proved to be toothless cowards (take Bosnia as an example), so the police and army can crack down on the MDC supporters and torture to their (and your) heart’s content.
As for your hilarious comment about West Indians, Maoris etc “standing still to honour a hero and gallant warrior”when Bob belatedly pops his clogs, I think you are either cracking a joke or are somewhat deluded. I live in New Zealand and when either Pacific Islanders or Maori hear that I am from Zim their immediate reaction is to make a rather disparaging remark about the vile man. I agree with Sinudeity...... Party time when mad Bob goes!

Megan you always make me laugh, you make my day. I go no that balck people had no rights before Mugabe came to power. They could not vote, disposessed of their land and barred from certain areas. The country. There is nothing you Rhodies can say to try and convince me that you have changed your colours.

Mugabe gave everyone their rights including Ian Smith believe it or not. His farm is still there in Shurugwi untouched so do not tell me nonsense. The only fraud are white people like you pretending to care about ordinary Zimbabweans. At least I am in the UK legally, I pay my taxes and national insurance which I may never access. I own my own house which I bought on the open market not displacing and disposessing someone like you Rhodies did.

I am in the UK courtesy of Mugabe's education for all policy of the 80s. I took advantage of it and here I am, travelling the world with my knowledge and skills. I know it pains you but you had every opportunity to do the right thing on land and you chose to fart in Mugabe's face.

Fungayi,
Despite an earlier assertion that you are “highly skilled” I somewhat doubt that rather arrogant claim and think that you are probably of limited intelligence.

In your first thread to this particular forum you said “We never heard of his visit to these places or any meeting he had with ex-detainees from Guantanamo. He must have been a torturer before. How else can he be an expert in this area?“

Firstly are you an authority on Manfred Nowak? Do you know for sure that he hasn’t been to “these places”? or that he perhaps interviewed ex-detainees. You don’t know is the answer, and in any case what does Guantanamo have to do with Zimbabwe (other than being a venue for systematic torture).... Nothing!
Secondly you make a trite assumption that for him to be an expert in torture he has to have been a torturer before. What???? Are you stupid? Or worse do you think we are stupid? By your rather bizarre logic should we also conclude that criminologists are in fact criminals?

Can’t say that i’ll bother reading your moronic outbursts in future, so any rambling and incoherent response to this will be ignored.

I note with amazement at the number of people who actually bother to respond to and continue in discourse with CIO agents like Fungayi. Leave them to their ultimate oblivion!

Fungayi
Stop making assumptions that I am a white Rhodie. I am infact a mixed race South African whose parents lived through the immorality act and apartheid, so don't get all self righteous with me. My parents worked hard against all the odds to ensure their children recieved a good education. At least I know what I am talking about and you are just spewing out dated so-called revolutionary nonsence.
And another thing since when is it a forgone conclusion that the Conservatives will win in the UK? Are you also an expert on British politics now?
Don't bother replying until you something worthwhile to say please!!

Megan I know that being mixed race you are somehow conflicted. I will not bother with you because you really do not know which side you stand on. As usual you missed the context within which I said it's foregone conclusion that the conservatives are going to win which they are. I was responding to Alisdair Budd's attack on African politics but as conflicted as you are my logic is lost on you. As for the assertuion that you know what you are talking about because you are mixed race that's just hogwash.

Glen Page, you are just an idiot with nothing constructive to say. I do not have to be an authority on anyone to challenge their label. You sound more stupid the more I read your attacks on me. Get a life. You probably noticed that I usually ignore your ignorant rantings.

Mukanya Wa Svosve you are another ignorant fool. Everyone who stands for the truth is a CIO to you?

Fungayi:
All your education is wasted on you as you are just a bigoted, racist, insulting, ignorant, narrow minded, self righteous fool and Mukanya is right why do we give you the time of day.
You would not know they truth if it slapped you in the face.

Fungayi.. If you're so proud of the TRUTH why not tell the people at work that you are a beneficiary of the land grab "process". I bet you a £100 you don't have the cojones!

Its a never ending story in Zimbabwe. Its been 10 years since Africa's Black Hitler lost legitimacy to rule Zimbabwe, out-maneveuring old and new regional leaders in dodging cesure. Its time the Zimbabwean issue be refered to the Security Council. Its now an embarassing episode for Southern Africa.

Marius, unfortunately for you they already know my position in as far as politics in Zimbabwe is concerned. I have already given them a lesson in Zimbabwe's history and you can stuff your hundred pounds because they all understand the need for land reform in Zimbabwe.

Megan, I thought you were no longer going to respond to my posts? You just can't resist me can you? You just love me. I can give you a tour of my land when I am next in Zimbabwe this December. I will show you the crops then the graves of my ancestors who are buried there next to where the whiteman had his farmhouse. Marius can come too if he wants.

December. Is that the time for holiday or the time for farming? As for your colleagues knowing your political position I have no doubt - you wear it on your sleeve. What I doubt is that you have had the cojones to tell them that you are a "beneficiary" of the land grab process, otherwise you would have claimed your £100 with: "I already did".

I have been following this argument for a while and i have noted something very interesting about Fungayi.I am also a Zimbabwean living and working in the UK and i am very disappointed by this man.
With the arrogance he has i do not think he is even Highly Skilled as he claims and having a degree by the way is not being highly skilled.
Actually , they are not many Africans with Highly skilled jobs in the UK and most Zimbabweans work in low income jobs despite claiming to be educated.If you have a great JOB fungayi let as know what you do and i will cross check that. Its most likely that you are an asylum seeker who succeeded in putting a false claim and that gave you an opportunity to travel.
So please humble yourself Fungayi and come to your senses.

Malvin ,
Scotland.