Zim leaders pressured to break impasse

Zanu-PF didn't want Mr Nowak in the country because the farm "redistribution" has started again. 5 of Louis Fick's workers on Friedwil farm have been shot and two cottages burnt down... all the work of Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank, Edward Mashiringwani.

Well, it simple enough "MDC calls off the bulldogs, and he gets a share of the pie" only challenge is, the bulls wont back down unless there is real substantial changes governance and not a flickering light of what might be changes. so maybe it aint that simple after all. keep the back channels open while making some real progress on the front...maybe the bulls might quite down after a while.

The continuing Zim problem:

www.richmarksentinel.co.za/rs_articles_contributors.asp?conid=5&recid=135&pcurr=1

The Generals will kill Mugabe soon. The Junta will further loot the country. Neighbouring countries are going to have a huge influx of hungry people soon..again...still.

...just in time for the world cup....

Comedy!! h"leaders" are pressured to make the agreement work, when clearly it is only one leader, Mugabe, who is to blame. It is typical of SADC to elevate the crimianl to the same level as the victim. And look who's talking: Kabila of the "Democratic" Republic of Congo,and who is in the Troik: Swaziland!!!

Tsvangirai just loves the idea of extra-ordinary summits because they make him feel important. Tsvangirai needs to grow up and that is the message I am getting from SADC. He does not have a choice other going back to government and working with the president.

This Nowak guy is just an idiot hellbent on causing confusion masquerading as a diplomat. Zimbabwe has every right to decide who they want to visit their country at any given time. Khama recently deported an Indian guy from Botswana for merely saying I don't do women just like your president. I have not heard a comment from the usual suspects like HRW and Amnesty International. As long as Khama is critical of Mugabe he can do no wrong. It seems that is the modus operandi of these so called human rights groups.

Marius de Kock, land reform never stopped, its on going and the farm you are talking about was redistributed way back and the South African guy has been resisting to move. He just has to go because the land is ours, maybe he can join his colleagues in DRC who have signed a deal for 250000ha. Even the SA government is not interested in his nonsense.

Fungayi, in your opinion, anyone even vaguely opposed to Mugabe is labelled, by default, either a Rhodie or a Botha supporter - little or nothing in between. I have to tell you that Mugabe is doing to socialism what George Bush did to American conservatism - he is chasing people away at a rate of knots. Even you well know that there are now serious divisions within ZANU PF and that high profile people within the organisation are blaming Mugabe for the current state of the country - many have little confidence in his ability to continue leading the party never mind the country. Time is on our side, not yours.

So the GNU in Zimbabwe had the main objective of saving Mugabe from the sanctions imposed on him and his inner circle and not to allow Zimbabweans to go on with their daily lives like other nations of the world?
Who will ever take African leaders seriously when clowns like Mugabe are allowed to destroy their own people's lives?
Is the allure of power so strong that one lunatic and his henchmen can go unchallenged in the destruction of a once promising country?
Even in the days of 'White racist regime', Zimbabweans have not suffered like this!
It is criminal of SADC to elevate the thug Mugabe to the same level of accountability as the victim Tsvangirai.

Fungayi, sounds to me like you need a reality check! Mugabe and ZANU are living on borrowed time, and should be grateful to their Mbeki masters that they are still in power. We all know the MDC-T represent the true hope of the vast majority of Zimbabweans, and we don't need the British or the imaginary Rhodies to help us with this. The ironic thing is that Mugabe has driven us to oppose him. When we all had our hopes with him as our liberation hero, he let us down in a very cruel manner.

Sanctions have nothing to do with this. I am not sorry that chefs like Chinamasa cannot get their stolen funds out of Swiss banks so that they can send their kids to UK universities (after destroying our own!). It is wierd that the very people you hate (the West) are the only ones keeping our food distribution and aid coming in. I don't see the Chinese or ZANU doing anything to help the povo.

The question you have to ask yourself, without fooling yourself of course, is who would win a genuinely free and fair election if we were allowed to hold one tomorrow! It's a silly question I know, but you and your kind would hate to contemplate the answer!

Fungayi. Do you know you Nongqawuse was? Do you know what happened to the Xhosa's after they killed all their cattle? Wiki it and give yourself a history lesson. Cellphone farming is not possible. The proof is in the pudding. http://www.slideshare.net/Sokwanele/zimbabwe-economy-october-2009 All the important yields are down. Maize, wheat, soya... compared to 2000 some are down 80%. So much for the small scale farmers supplying all the food. Only Barley and Sorghum are up. What happened? Forget how to farm or is the cellphone reception sh*t where the farms are? "And when all the white farmers are gone NEW farms will issue forth from the soil. The last of the whites (with the MDC sell-outs) will be turned to insects and be blown into the sea by a big wind and the ancestors will arise and bring with them drip irrigation and farming instructions and cattle and sheep and seeds and tractors and fuel and Zimbabwe will be the land of milk and honey and $5 Agri Bills."

Dont bother about Fungayi Dzvinyangoma, he's probably paid to do that.

The only Zim "leader" presurised by SADC was Tsvangarai. The SADC Troika once again toadied to Mugabe and ZANU and didbn't even mention anything they are doing, like banning the UN rappateur, or the MDC Governors that were supposed to be sworn in in September as proof of Mugabe's reneging and lies.

Watch Zim collapse in the near future and SA, SADC and the AU try to duck responsibility and blame a White Man as the rest of Africa suspend Niger from ECOWAS, Mbeki tries to get biased judges onto cases of rape and slavery of black Africans for his Arabic Slave Masters in Darfur and ZUMA tries to convince you he's competent as he cant get Zim on an Agenda, wont tell your parliament whether the ANC already gave Mugabe 2 million rounds of Ammunition and refuses to ask for enforcement Action for the SADC Tribunal as its a South African farmer who has his workers shot, on the farm the SADC are "protecting".

This is Africans way of screwing the people and never think nothing of the suffering of the people. This guy from Ghana, Annan started this trend in Africa OF losing the election and refused to leave office. There was a Nigerian who wrote a letter that Nelson Mandela was able to stay in prison in SA twenty seven years because the whites were better people than the blacks. He said that Mandela would have never live twenty seven years in a black prisoner in Africa. After visiting SA recently, he said that the blacks in SA were blessed that the whites stayed in that country. He claimed the whites left Africa too early and they should have stayed much longer. If one look at what happen in Europe after the fall of the Roman empire one can draw the same conclusion about Europe and it took them over five hundred years to get their act together. Most of these countries ended up borrowing from what the Romans left behind to develop. However, Africa is trying to create instant development that took thousandth of years in Europe to develop. Here in the US we had slavery and a civil war that took the lives of twenty five per cent of our population. The great president Lincoln was able to keep this country together and abolish slavery so the country could move forward. In Russia there were a lot of turmoil where millions of people died and China had a Boxer rebellion that took the lives of millions of people. This why SA needs good leaders to steer the SA ship in a different direction from the other African countries to avoid this turmoil. Nyatio, you are right about Zim. nothing is going to happen in that country as long as Mugabe is still alive. Mugabe is a follower of Nietzsche that believes the world is made up of two forces and when they clash, it will create conflict or in the case of Zim. turmoil. Mugabe views himself as the strong force and MDC as the weak force, this why he takes the position he takes.

SADC, what a useless 'organisation'. Nothing but an old boys club.

Its nice to comment on how awesome mugabe is, from the comfort of your UK home, hey Fungayi?

You guys can cry all you want, call Mugabe all the names under the sun but your Internet activism means nothing to us Africans. If Mugabe had not done this land reform how many of you self righteous whites would have been campaigning about the inhuman and degrading status of landless blacks? You are all crying for a stolen yesterday while we looking foward to an empowered tomorrow. Mugabe is our hero and we do not need white endorsement as to who our real heroes should be. You used to call Mandela a terrorist, our liberation fighters were regarded as terrorists and it seems you have not learnt anything from your past mistakes.

You can call Mugabe all the names under the sun but hey the land is gone, the UN idiot was deported, Tsvangirai will return to government with his tail between his legs end off.SADC leaders will remind him of where his priorities should lay.

The cellphone farmer: "but hey the land is gone.." Never have truer words been spoken... "gone". Where are your priorities Fungai? Zimbabwe or the UK?

I am like a Jew, no matter where I am Zimbabwe is my home just like Israel is theirs. I will not let my location define my priorities and my fellow blacks and my family in Zimbabwe are my priority. It doesn't matter what you think or how you feel, we own the land and it's ours. I know it guals you that it's now blacks who have the land and we can choose how we want to use it unlike all those absentee House of Lords peers who used to possess the land.

The views of Funganyi caught my attention, as I think they caught the attention of all bloggers on this site.
Either Funganyi does not exist or s/he is Mugabe herself/himself. I think to view Mugabe in the same light as Mandela is preposterous. I can safely represent the view of the African majority that is tired of dinosaurs which hide behind the facade of racism when mindless former so-called liberators destroy the lives of their fellow citizen.
Mugabe is such monster - the majority of Zimbabweans said just that in the last parliamentary elections.
When all the land grabbing has taken its course Funganyi, believe you me, Zimbabwe will go begging, bowl in hand, to Britain and all the 'racist' regimes in Europe.

Funny Fungayi is talking about whites and land. The last time I checked the issue we have is between ZANU and the people. Fungayi will not accept that our people do not want Mugabe anymore, and no matter how many lies are peddled, we will not change our mind. It is Mugabe and ZANU that want us to talk about land and whites. We know land is used as a tool, just like the mines, businesses, schools, armed forces, media etc. They are all victims of misrule to keep an elite in power.

President Tsvangirai may not be perfect, but he is our Mandela, and is the only one who has given Zimbabweans hope in the last 15 years. The more you beat him, or try to buy him off, the more he fights....and this is something that we will continue to support.

Mugabe, Mandela, Nyerere, Machel, Kaunda, Nujoma, Nkrumah, Nkomo, Tambo, Sisulu, Biko, Hani, Lumumba, Tongogara, Chitepo, Silundika, Sankara and Takawira all sacrificed themselves for emancipation of Africa. Not just political emancipation but also economic. The African economy is land based and land has to go back to it's rightful owners. These are our heroes. You cannot tell me that Mandela was called worse names than Mugabe is being called and all of a sudden they want to own him.

Mandela actually learned a lot from Mugabe. The rainbow nation concept is straight out of Mugabe's policy of national reconciliation.

Malose Nyatlo, you sound like a black South African who still has a long way to go to be mentally decolonised. Years of apartheid and beig told that Africans are only good as labourers, workers and employees have certainly taken their toll on you. Please do not limit your horizons to just getting a job at Mr Smith's company or farm and earning a wage. You can actually be the one who employs Mr Smith. All these whites ranting and raving here are only interested in preserving their privillaged life at our expense.

Tsvangirai is a joke; he really expect Mugabe to preside over the arrest of Zanu PF political thugs, the writing of a democratic constitution, the holding of free and fair election, etc. Every one of these democratic reforms will be dismantling his dictatorship brick by brick and they will all culminate in regime change where he is the loser. Tsvangirai is expecting Mugabe to do all this honestly. Not ever a five year old would be that naive to expect the village idiot to be that stupid.

No among of negotiating will deliver free and fair election in Zimbabwe as long as Mugabe remains head of the GNU. The only solution is to have fresh internationally supervised elections now; that was the solution back in June 2008 before the nation was side tracked into the present culde-sac.

Fungayi: still recycling the same old waffle. You don't convince anyone!!

Has anyone noticed that there no more concerts or worldwide initiatives for Aid to Africa? The reasons are glaringly obvious!
The whole world has grown gatvol of giving and giving and giving .... to Africa. And all they get for thanks is sh1t.

The days of free handouts are gone. The sooner Africa realizes it the better.

Fungayi, underneath the blind allegiance to the Struggle and Black Emancipation or collectively: African Renaissance, you seem like you are a thinker. So I want to ask you: what is YOUR criteria for Zimbabwe's eventual success? Is it economic recovery and with it good education, freedom to express yourself, a robust agricultural industry, housing for all, dependable infrustructure, modern hospitals, reliable supply of fuel and elecricity etc? Or is success to you the ability of your political party to remain entrenched indefinately? Is it about success for a few or success for all? Is it about your UNFLINCHING beliefs or are you open to changing your mind when someone makes a good point? In your eyes, can a white man make a good point? Is it even necessary to filter people's views through race? Am i white or black? Does it matter?

It just seems that you and many others defend ZANU PF and Mugabe blindly simply because of fantastic rhetoric. A government works for YOU, not the other way around. Isnt that why you voted for ZANU? Surely not because Mugabe says fun things? Right?

Fungai, please don't ABUSE us Africans. Speak only for yourself and ZANU PF. Not all Africans are imbeciles.

Shaun Ferreira, Zimbabwe's foundation for success has already been set. Access to the majority of the country's resources mainly land and mining. Mugabe and Zanu PF have been very practical about their approach by redistributing land to the majority. I will not buy this lie that is being presented that only white people are capable farming. That is what I call subtle racial profiling just like the notion that blacks are less smart than whites.

There is nothing unflincing about my beliefs, I am a reasonable person as I can tell right from wrong. Having 4000 people owning more than 75% of the most arable land is wrong in any country. There is nothing sustainable or robust about such a situation. It's funny that you call it blind allegiance as though blacks are supposed to just be happy with their disadvantaged position as long as whites are happy and privillaged. We went through over 16 years of a liberation struggle to get a vote and control our own destiny as well as land. Now that we are fullfilling the land aspect of the struggle, it is wrong? White people can certainly make a good point but not when they are being partisan to safeguard their unfairly gained privilleged positions. That I will not agree with.

Tony Marcus I will not entertain your attempts to speak for Africans with an English name. Get your name sorted first then you can engage me in a debate of some sort. I can see your view of Africans by your last statement and that is patronising. You are a conflicted white man with an identity crisis.