Rasool, Ozinsky censured by ANC after 'public spat'

Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.

H.L. Mencken

Pity that ANC cadres are not suspended for dishonesty or incompetence, but only for "disloyalty" (read: whistle-blowing). Now, if this situation were reversed, we might actually have a worthwhile government.

Bye-bye Ozinsky! What a relief all round :)

Skatswha, the black guy, remains in the loop. Ozinsky the white guy and Rasool the coloured guy both get the drop kick. Go figure.

Jon, Max Ozinsky was one of the sharpest blades in the ANC of the Western Cape. It is a relief to see him go as this will blunt the provincial ANC and leave it as hopeless and blundering as elsewhere.

RACISM!!!

PS, that was me throwing the race card around :)

Sinudeity...for some reason one expected your 'reaction'. You have no idea how the ANC function and therefore can only offer your limited 'opinion'. Having said that, Max as someone noted was not the 'brains' within the ANC Western Cape or elsewhere. He is a cadre schooled in the finest ANC teachings. Its the ANC who brought him and others to where they are today. Had they been with the DA/NP or any other monkey organisation, they would've been 'no name brands'. Go figure

Damons: And all Ive been hearing this week is the BMF/ANCYL crying RACISM. If they can do it, why cant I?

I know why, because YOU have been merrily crying 'racism' and throwing the race card around. Now when I do it, you find it offensive?

Schooled in the 'Finest ANC teachings'?
How to steal billions and get away with it.

As for not being the 'brains in the ANC WCape', please note, that there were NO BRAINS, in the ANC WCape.

Strange enuf, I have never been crying racism/racist cos thats not my deal. If you go back in my comments you will see it talks mainly to the issues, the fact the out technocrats are out of control and need to be accountable, etc etc. I have moved past the blame game being a person of colour and want to see this country and its people prosper but that it will require all of us to take our fingers out of whatever hole we have it in at the moment and get this country working...instead of blaming, whining, etc or telling me how wonderful this coiuntry was pre-'94. So wake up and do something positive instead of sitting in your cozy environment and writing dribble and become active?

Damons: This is me being active.

I cant tell you if SA was better pre '94 or not. Wasnt even of voting age. All I cared about back then, was playing outside with my friends.

All I see, is whats going on now. If you read my previous comments, I never throw the race card. I merely comment on those that do.

Apologies for pigeonholing you, as someone that plays the race card. My 'RACISM!!!!' comment was sarcastic.

All I want is for South Africa to rock hard. I get infuriated by those that cover up incompetence/corruption, with the race card. It diverts attention away from the real issues.

Mr Damons, I would like to humbly beg you to clarify your statement.
I have a project which creates jobs, for all including the commercially unemployable and the retrenched, while minimizing waste to landfill. Thereby this God given system not only protects our earth, reduces the amount of fossil fuels, water and electricity required to maintain and enhance the standard living standards of all South Africans, but cuts down on "survival" crimes as through the involvement in this project, people can earn enough money to feed/clothe themselves and their children.
I am white, and regardless of the fact that this system creates climates of socioeconomic & environmental awareness within the disadvantaged communities, my colour shuts down the opportunities available to help those who so desperately need help.
The city where I am running three small job creation through waste minimization projects has even gone so far as to pass a by-law which prohibits an existing service provider from providing a service that they, or their approved service providers, choose to provide in a given area. The service providers are not even encouraged to work with the local service providers, so when the contract is over, a huge vacuum remains. I had created jobs for 30 women from a local disadvantaged community, was removing 10% of the recyclable materials from the landfill stream, at no hidden cost to the ratepayer, and this is how the City says thank you for creating jobs for women, uplifting the people in the local disadvantaged community, and saving our earth!
This is b..llshit! How can we work together towards a better life for all when the City is so busy covering it's friends backsides?

It is so funny and interesting that each time people talk incompetence and corruption crap, they use this as synonimous to black population - how crazy! Strange enough though is the fact that this democracy we enjoy in this country is as result of these "corrupt bufoons"!!! Sinudeity @gmail.com and your crew, wake up and smeel the coffee!!! Go ask your mom and aunt what were they doing when you were busy playing around outside with your friends??? If they say they were not bare feat and pregnent in the kitchen, i put put it to you, they are bloody economic with the truth!!! It this African National Congress together with all other liberation movements, not the DP later DA, that liberated this country and its women!!! So when you play youre race card be very careful...

Sinudeity
So the only contribution you can make is anonymous sarcasm? If you don't know what happened in the past then please confront your parents or buy books and read it. South Africa was not the well run country you want us to understand it was. SAA, Eskom and the post office did not run at a profit? Please help build South Africa by atleast educating yourself on it's history. Please help build south africa by rehabilitating yourself from the mental illness called racism. And if you don't care enough about yourself then please do it for your children and their children. Can you imagine our grandchildren going through this painfull experience called change in twenty years time, because we didn't ACT, we were not COMMITTED, we were WHINING and being SARCASTIC and spreading hate speech, and criticising without context and understanding. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS

Well said M Gomez!

Gomez: 'Please help build south africa by rehabilitating yourself from the mental illness called racism' - My sarcasm was AIMED at comments like these Gomez.

Stop killing each other, this is about ANC WC

when they are done fighting I want casualties, yes that's me wanting to see who going to fall out, but again who is Membathisi I dont think he is clever enough to cause any damage

But maybe his masters are, lets wait & see.

Gomez: As for using 'sarcasm', why not? Its the tool that I used in this case, to deliver my comments. About how crying 'racism' is a blunt sword. From overuse.

Next time I'll be sure to wrap my sarcastic comments in tags.

The steps by the ANC against the two leaders is quite right. The ANC must not be afraid to deal with errant members of the party. It is better to restart the party in the Western Cape on a solid foundation than plastering the cracks for immediate gains.The notion that some people are more ANC than others should be done away with so that the real ANC could emerge. A lot of sacrifice has been done trying to accomodate people simply because there was hope that they would revive the fortunes of the party in the Western Cape. Enough of that. I am sure that both these gentlemen are not bigger than the ANC nor will it mean the changing of fortunes if they are dealt with decisively. If they are true ANC cadres they will fight their wars within the organisation and stop playing to the public gallery. The situation the party finds itself in in the Western Cape is as a result of focusing on short term results and attractected a lot of characters to the detriment of the party. If both THESE gentlemen feel that they are targeted for some other reason they are free prove that. The Western Cape is but one of the nine provinces in the greater South Africa and more focus should be on the greater South Africa where the ANC has less problems and prove that they are fit to govern. For now the Western Cape is a lost cause and not that it had been any different back then. The KZN gains can be achieved in the Western Cape with a little bit of patience. Nip the problem from the bud and not the two gentlemen only but the whole rot with Skwatsha included. Helen Zille learnt the trade from those sorrounding her. Divide and rule. Let her rule and build from start. Sipiwo Pahlane

@ Desmond,the time has come for us to stop this factionalism and stop protecting the comrades with a particular view.I agree that comrade max was one of the most dedicated anc comrades and believe he made a huge contribution to the building of the anc of the western cape but you cant deny the comrades role in the fall of the anc in that province.Both him and Rasool got what they deserve and defending either of them would be a great disfavour to the anc in general.

M Gomez, you are hitting the nail right on its head. We have a culture of amnesia and our young people has no clue as to our past. Our politicians and media also plays a role in this cos its to their advantage. We need to educate our youths about the past and to let them never forget as to where we come from, like the Jewish people are doing with regards to the Holocaust...Do people say that they are living in the past? No, its a reminder that we must never allow one person to dominate.

As for the Martin Brink...I have a solution to you, engage the communities that you are doing this wonderful project. Form partners and let people also take ownership and let them become the agents of change and they themselves be part of their societal solutions instead of them waiting for hand-outs. I can help you with that cos I work in IT training for communities, etc. We can therefore help each other attaining our goals. I know that bureacracy is killing off our creative juices but this is where we need to lobby/engage local, provincial and national government depts

Mohammed, the course of action by the ANC leadership is indeed correct. And yes, these two gentleman contributed a lot to the struggle and I believe that they can still contribute but not in its current form. Maybe its time for them and others to step aside for a while anc reassess why they joined the liberation movement in the first place. I for one will not support any civil servant or party members to be excused for hampering service delivery to the people (ALL PEOPLE) because they have ego's as big the the Kimberley hole. They need to step aside of they cannot deliver.

if you are going to be talking about the past and its importance (smagh, desmond) you need to include the international community very large role in the liberation of sa..a much larger role than any of the actual liberation movements in the demise..

Good but the ANC is evidently selective about who it censures. I note that it has yet to censure ANCYL's leader who is past due being censured!
To Andre Scheepers your quote by H.L. Mencken is Wonderfully apt: "Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage."

As well as the role that white people played in ending apartheid (Referendum) - Free history lesson

Damons and Gomez: I'll be expecting your strongest condemnation the next time the ANCYL throws the Race Card.

Aaah The 1992 national apartheid referendum, where more than 30% of whites (who turned up) voted 'No'. What a joke. Somehow re-run that same referendum today and that figure would be much much higher.

Comrades falling on their swords;

Les

Moxster: It ended apartheid, didnt it?

Result Number of votes Percentage
Yes 1,924,186 68.73%
No 875,619 31.27%

Total number of votes: 2,804,947 out of 3,296,800

Sinu, which part of "re-run that same referendum today and that figure would be much much higher" do you not understand ?

Sinu, to put in bluntly,the result of that referendum meant nothing. The revolution had already begun.
Amandla Awetu !

Moxster: The 'revolution' had been going on for quite a couple of years. And the most pressure, came from overseas actually. The revolution amounted to terrorist bombing of civilians, and MK sitting in Angola, spying on each other.

In a Cape Town newspaper's sms column, Ozinsky was described as the 'brains' of the ANC in the Western Cape... and for me another piece of the puzzle fell into place.

Sinu, which part of "the result of that referendum meant nothing" and "The revolution had already begun" do you not understand ?

Moxster: Because you say it meant nothing? Who are you?

Moxster: Thanks to the referendum, you can vote.

@Sinu: plese fill in the missing word if it wasn't 4 refendum he wouldn't vote bcoz he is?......

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