Crunch time for Zim talks

It's not Tomana's incompetence but he has nothing to back the case with.

Watching Zimbabwe is like watching a trainwreck in slow motion. The signalman came out and gave 30 days notice.... and in the two weeks since then nothing has happened... other than the Attorney General personally prosecuting Roy Bennett and making a fool of himself in the process.

Have you finally noticed that ZANU and Mugabe just lie, delay and hold committees and never actually do anything but persecute the opposition and then shortly before an "Elect5ion" they beat everyone up, announce they have won and demand "Reconciliation" by only giving the ZANU activists immunity from prosecution whilst faking cases against MDC activists and NGOs?

Exactly how long did it take you to notice that one? Or that South Africa are funding and protecting ZANU?

Here's what everyone else in Zim thinks Mugabe is up to:

http://www.zimbabwemetro.com/opinion/is-mugabe-getting-ready-to-go-it-alone/

Preparing to declare a Police State, and pretend its a Democracy, waiting for SADC SA and the AU to demand the removal of sanctions whilst he beats the peasants to death to get them to vote for him.

It's plainly predictable that the old fox (Mugabe) and his ZANU-PF central command are doing all the best they can - with naive acquiscence of the Western-controlled puppet-Prime Minister (Tsvangirai) - to woo in the Ever-Smiling Buffoon (who cluelessly reside in the Union Buildings) into talking to the whole world about the "progress that has been made in Zimbabwe". Mugabe's main aim is to have the Western-imposed economic sanctions lifted; for him, the buffoon's visit should be used to his country's benefit.
To those who are under the illusion the buffoon has any iota of political muscle to flex in Zimbabwe, I can already tell you that he (the ever-dancing clown) will come back telling everyone who cares to listen about "the progress that has been made in Zimbabwe". This even if (as it happened before) the willy Mugabe just snubs him and asks one of his junior ministers to send the buffoon to a dairy farm for an agricultural tour.

If you wish to belive what the Mail and Guardian tells you about this "new sheriff in town" (the Kangaman), then wait and see what the promiscuous polygamist from our shores will come back saying to those who would care to listen.

nzs nzs, you have hit the nail on the head. Nothing can be further than the truth. If I had some money, I'd set up a bet on the outcome of the so called " progress evaluation" visit and I assure you no one will win because they put too much faith in the useless SADC (minus Botswana)!

Only Botswana seems to actually not be doing drugs, the rest of the SADC are so wasted they wouldn't recognise their own mothers anymore. As long as the SADC does not insist on new elections this is just licking bob's backside clean. So Zuma, what does bob-tail taste like huh?

Mugabe made seroiuys mistakes when he cheated his way throught tribalism when he and others formed a splinter party called ZANU now those who were with him are too wasted or dead...what he is left with is Shamuyarira who cant do anything coz he has liitle or no seroius power in ZANU except tribal and regional games....Takawira is gone, Sithole is gone,Muzenda is gone...and many many others Nkala is a dead man walking after realising the folly of being power hungry......now Mugabe is left alone and the only real right hand man is Shiri whose instability may cause problems ,,,I say to him,,the chickens have come home to roost ...you can cheat once , twice or so but not all the time...hell is awaiting for you and men , women and children you killed for supporting ZAPU are still crying for you to take the gates to hell and never join them in heaven

What a revolting nation! Lock Mugabe up and throw away the keys

Enough already. For years everyone had tiptoed around this fcuk. He should be forcibly removed and sent to the hang man. My concern is that Tsvangi is beginning to enjoy the high life and is slowly slipping the way of all these African pricks. We can't just keep saying the Mugabe has made some mistakes. Fcuk that, call it what it is. Ethnic cleansing, genocide, murder, starvation, corruption, nepotism........

Zimbabweans are not any different from any other citizens in the world.They must be given a platfoam where they can express their choice through a free and fair election supervised by the world. Otherwise for SADC to prescribe a unique medicine for Zimbabwe , is dis-ingenious . We expect SADC to to tell it as it is not to water it down .

@ nzs nzs, oopppss it is not ZPF but MDC pulling a delaying tactics, interesting:

MDC-T launches attack on MDC-M for delaying talks
http://www.swradioafrica.com

By Tichaona Sibanda
20 November 2009

The mainstream MDC on Friday launched a stinging attack on negotiators from
the MDC-M, branding their counterparts as 'mischievious and insincere' for
delaying talks to resolve the outstanding issues in the unity government.
In a statement posted on their party website and widely circulated by email,
the MDC-T said it was extremely concerned at the lack of urgency shown by
ZANU PF and Arthur Mutambara's party, in resolving the outstanding issues as
soon as possible, as instructed by the guarantors.
'The deadline set by the SADC troika for the resolution of outstanding
issues has once again been missed because of the intransigence, mischief and
insincerity exhibited by the political players who are not taking the plight
of the people of Zimbabwe seriously,' the statement said.
SW Radio Africa is reliably informed that dialogue between the parties will
now begin on Monday, though low level consultations will be held over the
weekend. Negotiators from the MDC-T and ZANU PF have been on standby since
Monday, waiting for the return of Ncube and Mushonga.

@ Apocalypse Now, is this your crowd? (see below). Settlers still interested in Zim. Settlers know Zim is definitely a gem and are not happy that Mugabe is forcing them to share with the indigenous folks!!

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SA farming union insists Zim land grab victims be protected
http://www.swradioafrica.com

By Alex Bell
20 November 2009

South Africa's main agriculture and farming union has expressed concern
about the bilateral investment treaty agreed with Zimbabwe, which is set to
exclude South African owned farms that were expropriated by the Robert
Mugabe regime during the chaotic land 'reform' programme.

Agri-SA this week said the land grab in Zimbabwe should form part of the
agreement, set to be signed with South Africa in Harare next week. The
organisation has urged the South African government "not to buckle under
pressure" from Zimbabwe to exclude the land 'reform' programme from the
agreement.
South African Trade and Industry Minister Rob Davies, last week told South
African newspaper Business Day that the bilateral agreement with Zimbabwe
will provide security for any South African investor in any sector,
including agriculture, from now on. He said South Africa wanted to create
certainty for investments in Zimbabwe that would also help with its economic
recovery, without reopening 'old wounds'.
But Davies continued that it would have been impossible to negotiate this
agreement with a 'retrospective clause', with regards to expropriated land,
saying South Africa believed it was necessary to contribute to stabilising
the economy in Zimbabwe, which would also contribute to political stability.
But in a statement released on Thursday, Agri-SA expressed concern that the
content of the agreement had not yet been discussed with the South African
business community. Instead, business people have been invited to
participate in an investment seminar on November 27, in Harare, where the
agreement is to be signed.
"Expectations are still that the agreement should only be finalised once the
South African government has completed its policy review on bilateral
agreements, and that the government should not buckle under pressure from
the Zimbabwean government to exclude its land reform programme results from
such an agreement," Agri-SA said.

No talks have been held this weekend.

Mugabe's options are now limited to either allowing the GPA to be implemented leading to free press, new AG and RBZ Gov or saying fcuk it and declaring state of emergency and ruling openly by decree.

Knowing Mugabe as we do he will regularize his dictatorship and deal with the subsequent shit storm , after all it will only be ordinary Zimbabweans who will pay the price.

It is slightly heartening to notice that Africans are finally noticing that their politicians are protecting Mugabe and ZANU, and their "Liberation Hero" has gone bad and is also a token being used for cover by the Generals.

Its just a bit late and we in the "north" were wondering when you were going to do anything about it and enact any sort of action?

I wonder... what kind of government make any difference: in the mail this morning:

"Another woman who helps out black women in a nearby community with a sewing group. A younger woman in the sewing group was a continual trouble causer and finally XXXX had told her to either settle down or get out. Others in the sewing circle had then decided to discipline the woman and beat her and killed the baby on her back. That XXXX even goes so far as to help out in the community is remarkable considering that her aunt who was kicked off her farm in Ruwa last year was raped by 4 of her assailants at the time of the eviction. XXXX brother was a GP here at the time and ended up testing the 4 assailants for HIV – all were positive. He decided this was incompatible with his Hippocratic oath and emigrated...

" Apparently, maintenance work is going on at both Kariba and Hwange so we are back to 48 hour
power cuts interspersed with random 8 hour cuts. Poor XXXX has been without
power for 9 weeks now and we are all very careful not to mention zesa to her at
all! Fuel has gone scarce again, and that means XXXX is out sourcing for all his worth. "

What do you think?

fine. we the dancing clown assumed the high office, his party said they are shifting from the silent diplomatic policy. The next thing the clown does is to embrace the very same policy. JZ does not have anything new which he can bring to Zimbabwean crisis.

Who will listen - those who care.

SADC is a load of shite. Gutless, impotent, limp dicks who talk about "African" ways of doing things.Like, dictatorships? As for SA their international reputation is in tatters. Zuma? Arms Deal? When will we finally have an enquiry? Never. I find Africa and the notion of a USAfrica a joke. True Africa is utterly enchanting but again and again self-serving and opportunistic locals like the ANC pervert and corrupt. The pig trough does have a limit. Oink! Oink! ANC

In all these years, not a single word of criticism from our government. Mugabe and his thugs have ruined their country, abused, oppressed, tortured and killed their own people - so much so that several million of desperate Zim citizens fled the destruction and their brutal oppressors. Our government literally and figuratively embraced Mugabe and kept silent. We are now treating the SYMPTOMS of the De Doorns and the JHB Methodist Church situations. We all know the CAUSES why Zim citizens ended up there in the first place. Simply silence and some more support for Comrade Bob from the ANC. What a disgrace…

Not only has the ANC Govt never criticised ZANU and Mugabe, it has repeatedly lied to protect it, concerning Generals reports into "Free and Fair " elections, provided it with Ammunition, whilst the Evil "West" was banned from giving food to the starving, protected them at the UN after Mugabe decided to celebrate Africa day 2005 by bulldozing 800,000 Africans out of their homes and businesses, and providing 300 million rands of mostly South African money to pay their political rapists via an organisation that still doesn't actually exist.

And also refused to do anything about the "Enforcement Action" and Sanctions" that the SADC tribunal has asked for for Zims contempt.

You might actually start to notice that SA is the major player in protecting ZANU, and they could have stopped them, or prevented this mess years ago if they had ever wanted to.

Its time for SADC to solve this mess once and for all. Some previous comments here were saying all is well in the GNU. But now we see another round of talks. We will see how this SADC will work it out. An old man like Mugabe is not shy to have young people being mediators. Mugabe should be resting and playing with grandchildren and mediating in disputes.

The biggest problem now is that there is no alternative Govt for Zim. MDC-T is not seen as the alternative by both allies and opponents. "Inkuzi ayifohle" should come back atleast. MDC has too many skeletons that the inteligence community should know about.The criminals is govt must be jailed to effect the rule of law,but not under MDC-T.

Let's establish some basics. Bob is no idiot. But he wants history. So, let us allow him some history - like Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc. He's in the history books! SADC = limp dicks. SA = um, um , um.
Zuma = blah, blah, blah. Despair, Africa, despair. You have incompetent and rapacious leaders, not to mention tin-pot dictators who will get off scot free with bloody hands and millions.

The ZIM thorn pricks no more.

The entire surface of Zimbabwe should be carpet bombed and turned into a nice wooded game reserve. And let it serve as a warning to other naughty nations that can't get their kak together. Kinda like a flood of biblical proportions, but, with no bearded guy at the controls.

Poor TSVangirai...when the former governor ofM atebeleland Cde Welshman Mabhena celebrated with the people when MDC won elelctions TSVANGIRAI ...INSTEAD OF INCORPORATING PEOPLE LIKE THAT In his movement he dismissed them as old wine and whatever skins he was talking about..hw went on to fail on keeping the party united even for a decade...and was given a second chance to amend things just before the presidential elelctions...he refused to sign a document done by his negotiators and the other MDC ..hoping he was going to win.....now he is confused.....hope has never been a strategy ndoda now you were booed by your former supporters....and you really looked like a fool ndoda...try to be a good listener but I suppose its too late.....and i dont see you being a president in Zimbabwe people will forget you soon sithutha sendoda

.. and yet more bureaucratic humbug by Zuma, now sets up a team to look at Zim....& of course the team will have a secretariat, hardware, software, fine offices, a good sized budget, personnel including PR, HR, Finance dept, rights (unionised of course), health & safety dept, equality requirement and all the rest bla bla bla to produce a report or reports that look good, great graphics, but mean sweet fanny adams! waste waste waste!

Mugabe should be locked up far way with his wife and they should work at the farm (hard labour) everyday since they are so greedy. People like them don't deserve to die HARD LABOUR at the FARM is the only answer.

Its all about the desperation and continued harassment of the MDC T 'whites' by ZANU PF's hardliners.They do not stop at anything as long as it serves their interests and delays certain national changes. As usual Tomana is defending his payslip having been in a post that is so controversial and failed to resign.