Lekota slams calls for Mbeki to be charged

he is always late on evrything, Malema already solved this matter, so we need your late commend lekota! sort your wrecked house into order first,

I can see know reason, why our brother Thabo should not be investigated for genocide. If it can be proved that due to his more "tradiotional" approach to eradicating HIV from the African planet, which is not a bad thing... was an unmitigated disaster and was the direct result of thousands of deaths, then why not. Or, we could just poo poo it like allot of other disasters under his and JZ's leadership, passing it off as a right wing (DA et al) conspiracy to rid SA of the swart gevaar. I have been exposed to a number of people, mostly pale liberals, who would be very comfortable to do exactly that. Essentailly sweeping these and in fact any future life threatening occurences our affirmative brothers and sister could be held liable for as something that was caused by the years of hardship encountered along with the massive and ongoing disadvantages being experience by our brothers still in this country.

Jah neh!!! This guy is so slow like a chameleon. or was he still thinking of the intellectual and intelligent way to raise his point? I think tghe word stupid exist when Lekota was born oherwise it was never gonna exists. He is a lupe@t and a lunat@c. Wy can't he just keep quite? Have you ever heard of anything new that Lekota has ever mentioned? Of course no, he always engage on issues already resolved.

With comments like "We must not charge one of our own", is Malema putting himself along with the rest of the political elite above the law. I am not advocating charging Mbeki with genocide at all, but to make a claim like that in the context of our Democracy in unconscionable. One is once again, left with a sense of utter despair with the politicians' concept of what constitutes a separations of powers, checks and balances and justice in a democracy. Add it to the long list of "Arms deal, Selebi, Zuma, Yengeni, Mbeki, etc".

Lekota, have mot been in the news for a longtime, so he wanted to get the headlines. Sorry man, you are too late, pls go back to bed and sleep.

"Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi said earlier in November that in the 11 years from 1997 to 2008, the rate of death doubled in South Africa.

"In 2007, the total number of deaths -- from all causes -- registered in South Africa was 573 408; in 2008 this figure had leapt to 756 062."

And, either by fault or design, the Mail and Guardian reporter/writer of this article "forgot" to mention that, within a few days after Motsoaledi's cooked stats, the organ authorized with releasing statistics in this country (the Stats SA) brought it to everyone's attention (including the publicity-seeking Motsoaledi) that the statistics of this year [on AIDS-related deaths and other population figures] has not been released yet. Which makes every critically thinking person wonder where Motsoaledi had got the stats he brandied about on television.

Those who would like nothing better than seeing former President Thabo Mbeki prosecuted for "failing to take responsibility for people's refusal to wear condoms when they engage in sexual activities [including the promiscuous and buffoonery polygamist who resides cluelessly at the Union Buildings]", they better be warned not to mess up with the quiet storms. The times for the judgement of their much-idolized buffoonery 'leaders' have yet to come.

Leave Mbeki alone!

@Africa 4 Africans on November 24, 2009, 11:00 am
You are so right Julius did solve it by stating that leaders are untouchable. That is a principle great democracies are built on....NOT.
Julius darling, time to change your nappy!

Charge Mbeki and Manto!!! As i once heard, ignorance is no excuse. Their decisions caused hundreds of thousands of people to die.

I don't think Mbeki deliberately set out to kill anybody. It was rather his doff take on the HIV issue which was more or less wholly supported by the ANC at the time. There are those conspiracy theorists who argue that Mbeki Pipeweed and Manto Pisscat were cruel to be kind; who would have taken care of the many babies born to mothers suffering from HIV/AIDS if AR drugs were administered to them at birth? Perish the thought.
Remember that healthcare also took a major downward slide on his watch.
Charging anyone with genocide makes no sense but I believe the ANC at large must be held to account for their mismanagement of this and many other issues.
Btw, I also buy into the theory that HIV/Aids stats are exaggerated to procure donor funds from the West.

mbeki did not infect anyone. true.Mbeki is not HIV positive and has never abused his power and political position to subject ladies and others to horrendous sexual shame a mouth cannot mention without rotting.Mbeki stands opposed to higher prices of that medication which would see Africans more especially being exploited.Mbeki hated any form of recolonialisation.Mbeki never passed a law that said people must stop using ARVs.He was good at making known his school of thought.Manamela has nothing to say and he must not say it to us.What solution is the youth coming up with to fight this scourge? the youth must be charged with genocide as they think it fashionable to be lawless american copy cats and do all sorts of dirty things to this country they did not fight for.They abuse their rights and indulge in sexual activities at a young age,declare themselves revolutionary by abusing alcohol just like Malema did in his house my what party.We must address such issues as cultural and moral decadence,media and advertising content,the influence of the worst western wasteful culture and revisit the freedom that we shower mercilessly to our stray sheep and maybe we can triump over this AIDS.NO. it is not right to blame Mbeki

How can Malema compare Thabo with Mugabe?? Mugabe should be charged for killing people in Matebeleland. Thabo did not go on killing rampage. They is no need for Thabo to be investigated.During Thabo tanure aids was controversial anyone could argue with strong facts.

Malema is an idiot, and those who are supporting him now will queue up to call him an idiot as soon as he falls from grace, like so many other political loud-mouths before him (including Lekota).

However Terror has a point - if you open the door to prosecuting people for incompetence and inaction, who knows where it will end? Remember, our beloved Madiba totally ignored Aids, even though there were many around him (including myself) who were advising him to speak up. Will we charge Tata, too?

The basis on which the accusation of genocide is being made is a research study from Johns Hopkins university, which shows that more than a third of a million lives would have been saved if Mbeki had done NO MORE than his colleagues in Namibia and Botswana did, during the same period.

The claim that Thabo and Manto did not prevent doctors from dispensing ARVs is laughable - they did exactly that, by turning down offers of free drugs and firing doctors who prescribed these drugs.

Buti Manamela,

Why do you start in 1999? Lets charge the following for genocide.

1. First Respondent
President Nelson Mandela, from 1994- 1999 for failing miserably to put in place a national aids policy and for failing to implement an ARV program for people living with AIDS.
In 1996 Brazil (with the number of AIDS sufferers in RSA standing at 4.7m) implemented a free ARV program for it people. Brazil further went on to manufacture generics defying the drug company patents.
2 Second Respondent
All premiers of the provinces excluding Western Cape (where an ARV program has been running since the early 90's and MCT treatment since 1999)
3 Third Respondent
Thabo Mbeki for only implementing the ARV programme from 2001 (two year window period from 1999)
4. Fourth Respondent
All those suffering from AIDS contracted through uprotected consensual sex

Kudoes must go the the Western Cape govt ( I never thought that I would ever say this!!!)and to Thabo Mbeki for fighting endlessly to bring down the price of these expensive drugs and for puttung into place (in the words of Judge Comeron) the widest rollout of ARV treatment.
My contempt to all the Premiers of the provinces mentioned above as they had the power to roll out ARV's like the Western Cape and later Gauteng. My greatest contempt is to the IFP led Kwazul Natal.
So dear Buti Manamela, be careful of what can of worms you open. Also remember that you are an ANC member of parliament and not an agent provacateur for the communist party. I really think that the way you are going on, should result in you being expelled from the ANC

Way to go Karimi

Mangena you are right, it takes a dangerous lunatic from hell to compare midday and midnight...
Malema is what I call ilema lomuntu
And I am mdu mangena

Quote from mbeki speech 9th July 2000

In the meantime, we will continue to intensify our own campaign against AIDS, including:

a sustained public awareness campaign encouraging safe sex and the use of condoms;
a better focused programme targeted at the reduction and elimination of poverty and the improvement of the nutritional standards of our people;
a concerted fight against the so-called opportunistic diseases, including TB and all sexually transmitted diseases;
a humane response to people living with HIV and AIDS as well as the orphans in our society;
contributing to the international effort to develop an AIDS vaccine; and,
further research on anti-retroviral drugs.
You will find all of this in our country's AIDS action plan which I hope has been or will be distributed among you.