Opposition upset over new NPA head

"necessary experience, legal background and administrative skills" to do the job..means he is an experienced party hack to do everything within and outside the law and still have the ability to cover it up and then lie about.

Should we actually be surprised that this party cannot govern with any integrity whatsoever.

Release the Ginwala report! We want transparency! We want accountability! We DONT want corrupt scumbag friendly NPA heads!

Aluta continua :)

Not surprised the opposition are upset ... the entire country should be upset. His appointment simply guarantees that none of the ANC insiders will be prosecuted.

First Shaik for the NIA and now Simelane for NPA ... Zuma shows his true colours!

@Ray Ives, spot on. Zuma truely is showing his true colours surrounding himself with pals so that he becomes untouchable like Mugabe. Would love to know what the Ginwala report contains.

Ray and Irene; we are unlikely to ever know. It has probably been shredded already.

Unless there's a drastic change in voter sentiment at the municipal elections in 2011, we are royally screwed.

I doubt that we will see the majority having the sense to vote other than ANC. We are surrounded by imbeciles.

Opposition can go to hell, they are not running the country.........

The ANC certainly are running the country......into the ground......

Better the devil you know...
At least the 'cronies' are all in one place and can be constantly scrutinised. There will be no surprises. Because of all these Zumarite's glaring history, they will have to be VERY careful with any shenanigans.

Shame Zuma......payback time once again, Simelane was unstrumental in getting the NPA to drop his corruption charges....the ANC has now made sure that none of their officials will be held accountable for corruption & theft of public funds.....this is like making Schabir the finance minister.

I QUOTE "The ANC welcomed the appointment. The ruling party said he brought the "necessary experience, legal background and administrative skills" to do the job.

"The appointment will bring stability to one of the key arms of the criminal justice system," the ANC said.

UN-QUOTE= WHAT A JOKE, IN SIMPLE TERM THE APPOINTMENT WILL BRING CORRUPTION, CONFUSION, INTERFERENCE TO ONE OF THE KEY ARMS OF THE CJS!!!

The self admitted 'commies' are taking over, what did you expect. The average citizen does not care about politics, beyond a different race is control now, and so what. Corruption appears to be a way of life, so absolutely no one is surprised. Clearly this is a step-wise, planned and patient process. No one will make any money betting against totalitarian rule by the ANC and control of the media, except perhaps picking the dates that these steps are taken. Nice lottery, the gov should make some money while doing this. Brave new world, Kamrad.

Proudly SA, we are *all* going to hell, my friend -- the Zuma-cabal are seeing to that!

Great; so we dont know where the ANC ends and the NPA begins.....and PSA thinks this is a good thing....what a complete idiot.

It's open season for any fraudster who has ANC connections & corrupt government officials.

Ella, PSA, Et Al; there is one key difference here. Yes, I agree Zuma is ensuring that we all get our first class (PSA, Relax, I was being facetious, you will not really be going first class. In fact, you personally, because you are brain dead, will probably have to carry somebody. Most likely a white person. Life's a bitch hey?) one way ticket to the next faild state. (PSA, that is when we finally don't function as a state anymore but a one party , one person, dictatorship.) However, the difference with the ANC is that your cell phone will be stolen before you reach your destination.

opposing or not but the appointment has done, all we need is to look foward and give the man a chance may his legal background experience and admin skills can bring about change to NPA

Good choice Mr President what a good well thought christmas present for the peace loving SA. Now the focus will on dealing with hard criminals, rapes, murderers, corruption both in Private and Public domain. We salute your leadership, down with all the racist who see faultline to any appointed competent Black person.

Ho hum, if the ANC is critised you are a racist, this purely illustrates that the supporters of the ANC have no brains and cannot give an intelligent argument. If it was not for the salcastic humour in some of the comments, I would not even bother reading them. No names mentioned but one person in particulars salcastic comments are excellent and give me a good laugh at least once a day.

@proudly sa,grow up man.release the political prisoner within you,but then you might find that prisoner is you!!that opposition parties mst go to hell because they don't run the country.do you understand the words that are coming out of your mouth mara

well done Mr prez, once again you showed who ruling the country, if opposition want to appoint their own NPA bosss, THEY MUST FIRST WIN THE ELECTION, period, untill then they must shut up!

@Proudly_South African: I'm just curious, but do you even believe there should _be_ an opposition? Would you prefer it if everyone just blindly accepted what the ANC says & does as you do? You are one of the most un-constructive contributors to these forums.

No President or CEO will ever appoint somebody to critical positions< knowing full well that person may stab him in the back: The DA would never appoint Jesse Duarte as their national spokesperson so why must the Pres appoint somebody just to please the opposition: Democracy is simply majority rule and it seems that our heroic opposition fails to grasp this fundamental point: I suggest our opposition go out to the townships and fall on their knees and ask the masses for forgiveness: Maybe the masses will vote for them and they may soon win an election and appoint their own people to important positions: Somehow I doubt that these small irellevant parties will ever rule this country: They will forever sit on the opposition benches where they will moan and complain about the ANC:

We have long stopped listening to the idiotic and racist racntings of the idiots in this forum and elsewhere.

Which appointment has been welcomed except for Gordhan (not African) and Marcus (not African)...............

Try winning elections and governing in your own than wanting to impose your governing through other parties.......idiots!!! If it makes you feel better, fine continue screaming and insulting everyone..........we are busy running government than listening to these racist cacophony.

@ Lee, you're not the only one laughing mate...
@ Africa 4 Africans... "Until then they must shut up" Are we not supposed to be a democracy? What ever happened to the notion of "Freedom of Expression". How can any one of sound mind be expected to remain silent when eye opening / hair-raising shenanigans are the order of the day... you're the one who should shut up if u do not have anything intelligent to argue on behalf of your disgraceful Party. In fact not taking your obviously low IQ into consideration, with all the goings on in this country of late, an intelligent argument in support of "the ANC way" is hardly plausible... And before you even start with all the white bashing rhetoric and PSA joins you, i am very black and keen not to see RSA slide down the same drain as Zimbabwe which seems like a certainly if current trends remain unchecked...

When Julius talks about too many whites in important positions he has been vilified all round as a racist: Now when the PRES is appointing a black man there is an outcry from the normal quarters: We are simply gatvol for this double standards from our white compatriots: The irony is that they did not vote for the ANC instad they advocated a racist agenda against the President: They must just except that JZ is in charge and if they don"t want to accept this I suggest they leave as soon as possible:

Typical lack of logic, nkosi sikelele.
First of all no president should have the truckload of charges of fraud and corruption against him.
Then he has no need to appoint some lying piece of loyalist scum.
(And pray tell: why would the DA want Duarte, she’s dishonest as well)

Proudly Etc. said: “Opposition can go to hell, they are not running the country....”
And of course that racist, Afrika 4 Afrikans is ecstatic with this appointment –because it makes critics of the ANC unhappy.

As Lee van Zyl said, the ANC has little to worry that they will be voted out of power.
That should keep smug chaps like Proudly Etc. and other fools happy.
The appointment of this most untrustworthy liar as boss of the Public Prosecutions is one up against the whiteys, coconuts and other malcontents and enemies of the ANC.

Problem is that with all this going on, SA -which is your country too- is going to hell.
So gloat all you will Proudly Etc et al. but know that you do so at the expense of your children.

I define “hell” as some form of Zanufied SA, where you have a small elite stealing from an ever more impoverished populace. Try to be Proudly South African THEN!
(Or do you truly believe that we are on the right path to building a SA where prosperity for all is even a remote possibility?)

Try again

Simelane gets to be a director-general within 10 years of starting off as an article clerk. Impressive…..!? This must surely qualify for the Guinness Book of World Records.


Of course not. This is merely a case of the ANC’s Nomenklatura system of patron/client in action. Simelane’s stratospheric career trajectory shows that he is probably quite a pliable kind of client: someone whom his patron(s) could trust to keep those files with the 700 odd corruption/money laundering charges safely locked away in his office safe. Someone who would also diligently obey his patron(s) suggestion of a tactical leak of those same files, if and when they need to “recall” the much higher placed client implicated in the charges.

The argument of SA going Zim route is a tired argument............get a life Twannie Herinck! On the positive side you can go back home and we can continue being scums here....how's that?

Bring on an incorruptable person in power, thats all we want. No corrupt scumbags in government.

Aluta Continua

@Proudly: You're the only racist here, mate. You say Gordhan and Marcus are "not African". Erm. Pravin Gordhan was born in Durban! He's African! Or did you mean "not black"? So who's the racist? I'm white, but I'm as African as you are.

Got to agree... the ANC's record for appointing people unfit for the job just continues.

This is good stuff!
Comrade Simelane indeed has the right stuff.
All that the Ginwala report did was cast suspicion in questioning the new NDPP's integrity as 'irregular'. This does not constitute anything untoward. If there was ANY doubt about the integrity of Comrade Simelane, President Zuma, in consultation with the ANC, would not have appointed him. We will not be deterred by minor irrelevant excuses of opposition parties. Collectively, they couldn't decide on skwat.

Our Social Democratic Revolution marches on, unabated !!!

Amandla !

who do you guys thinks is the right person for the job? oh sory you cant make that decision coz your the manority, so let it be like that...the funny thing is that JZ does not give a crap about what you say.

i strongly suspect he doesn't give a crap about what you say either, as long as you keep on voting without thinking

Sorry for using a “tired” argument, but I believe that we are truly heading that way.
(Saying that one uses a often-used argument does not make it untrue)
Believe me, I do not care who governs SA, or which skin colour the rulers.
But I am convinced that the evidence that we are entirely on the wrong path, with the wrong leaders is mounting day by day.

In the end it is not important what you or I think.
But we’ll see who is right –because THAT will make a huge difference in millions of lives –screw our respective political views.

The signs are all over the wall too see for anyone who is not a complete, blinkered idiot. The implications of me being correct are so depressing –I would desperately like to be proven wrong.
My particular problem here is: I tend to be a pretty good guesser –especially in the predicting department.
After Polokwane I ceased to be Proudly SAn myself, I KNEW what was coming. I did not like it, but I knew.
And so far, I am spot on.

Moxster: The social democratic revolution is a dream. Ur politicians are too greedy to even consider implementing it.

For now, our struggle lies with corrupt politicians, corrupt policeman, corrupt businessmen, murderers and rapists, slow people who walk in a wall, HIV and dictators.

Aluta Continua!

you forgot rascist Sinudeity,....

Africa 4 Africans: Indeed, and racists. And those that cry 'racists' when they dont like the truth.

It is time for the opposition parties to realize that Zuma and the ANC will continue doing things the way they see fit. Shouting and pulling their hair out will not help much in this regard until such time that they gather sufficient support to overthrow the ANC led government. For now, they'll just have to bend over and take it up the rear from the ANC.

Modiba: The irony is, corruption and incompetence actually screws the people on the ground. 64 municipal protests since jz took over.

Keep on keepin on ANC. Your incompetence and corruption is helping the opposition.

Hear hear Ian good one

@sinudeity, you know why the opposition wont win the elctions? is bcoz YOU dont know how to canvass, YOU only know how to attack the ANC, like you do now, pols 101 instead of suggesting your candidate that wil do better than adv. Menzi, you are attacking ANC, just a free advise..

You didn't have to be so blatantly disrespectful of the Constitution, Mr President. Surely there are other equally qualified candidates you could have considered. Having said that I don't think any appointment, other than that of a white person, would have pleased the opposition. They just cannot stand us.

Next time, Mr Pres, be subtle. Truth is, you're starting to scare the hell out of me too.

I agree with Moxter and Ngoake, the opposition parties must go out and win an election in order to rule! We are simply gatvol for our white compatriots who continuously moan and complain when the Pres is fulfilling his constitutional mandate to govern! Not one of the opposition parties could give one compelling and real reason why Simelane is unfit for this position? Instead they hammering on what Ginwhalla said. In any case regardless of what Ghinwalla said, Menzi is qualified for the job! Vusi Pikoli has been found to be the most incompetent NDPP and was clearly disliked by his colleugues in the national security cluster.

That's fine ... defend the ANC. I just hope you do so sincerely and not just to get in the face of those who oppose them.

Because here's the thing, these are YOUR statements;

"Opposition can go to hell, they are not running the country......... "
"Good choice Mr President"
"well done Mr prez, once again you showed who ruling the country"
"we are busy running government"
"They must just except that JZ is in charge"
"The argument of SA going Zim route is a tired argument......."
"Our Social Democratic Revolution marches on"
"JZ does not give a crap about what you say"
"time for the opposition parties to realize that Zuma and the ANC will continue doing things the way they see fit"

When the wheels fall off (note 'when' not 'if) don't come crying that it's apartheid .. or whites .. or racists .. or dark forces .. or capitalists .. or imperialists etc etc etc etc to blame - just read YOUR comments above and accept that YOU are accountable, nobody else, because you kept voting these people into power!

What is the use to be upset?All is done in Eady/IDI Amin style.

Africa 4 Africans: No, its because the opposition parties, dont have access to South African tax monies. Bribing voters with food parcels with MY tax monies, and shirts that I paid for.

Do you know why the DA lost the elections? Because they play fair. The ANC doesnt.

"Proudly_South African Proudly_South African", "Africa 4 Africans" and "The Moxster" have all been planted on these forums to wind up the readers. That can be the only explanation. Surely no one can be this stupid.

@Ray Ives: who do you want us to vote for? for your info, they is no wheels that will fall off here, the only wheels that fell off is your regime as far as im concern.. we are not your people dont tell us what to do got it?

The most likely reason why such a dubious character was apppointed in such an important position was probably because Zuma simply could not find anyone else who had the right skin colour.

Nkosi sikelele, if you happen to have a degree your parents should request for a refund because you completely wasted their money and your space could have been utilized by someone who needed the education most. What is democracy again?

Democracy consists of four basic elements:

We can think of democracy as a system of government with four key elements:

1. A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections.

2. The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life.

3. Protection of the human rights of all citizens.

4. A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.

Firstly, the elections are not fair because we are fed lies about better life and efficient service delivery.
Only those who benefit from corrupt deals, AA, BEE participate to a certain level until their pockets are beefed up.
All we see is protection thieves and corrupt leaders because they are the only humans with rights.
A rule of law????????This one I will leave it to Nkosi sikelele ANC…I am already feeling HELPLESS.

No one complains about ANC, BUT the way the do things.

The way you were brought up leaves much to be desired. If your elders try to instill discipline and show you the correct way, all you do is wish you could grow up quickly and have your own family so that you could do as you please? Nkosi sikelele ANC and united in corruption shall we stand! Can’t wait for the next national elections.

When all are gone than shall I count my gains.........Truely when all citizens of these country mostly from the Western Cape undersatnd one improtant lesson that the Blacks are the biggest majority hence the ANC shall rule till the end of time period........ Call us whatever DA and the cluster splinter grougs will not never win hearts of the Majority .

Africa 4 Africans and Proudly, both you guys are ridiculous.

This appointment reeks of corruption and appointing a friend of the party is not going to rid the worldwide reputation South Africa is getting as a corrupt state. Hence the opposition condemnation. Don’t (yet again) make it a racial issue- almost all of the opposition parties were against this appointment (most of them Black). Race has nothing to do with it.

To say that the ANC is in charge so they can do what they want is also a complete contravene of the democratic system. The whole point of democracy is for the opposition to watch the ruling parties moves and criticise when they feel that it is not behaving in manner that will benefit the country as a whole (not the ANC elite). Both of your comments are moronic.

Ah, good, I see we have our entire troop of trained monkeys present, A4A, PSA, Moxy, Nkosi,Phume,Ngoako, listen up m/fcukers, aren't your knuckels getting sore, you might want to stand upright for a few minutes a day. Moxy, you say, "this is the right stuff" listen dude, you have to stop smoking that shit, it will kill you. You will ultimatley fry the last remaining brain cell and then you will be just like A4A and PSA, now do you really want that to happen, I did not think so. Anyway, you boys are right, we are just getting bent over and pile driven into next week by the ANC. Fortunatley for you hairy liitle fellows, you are still allowed to sit in the bush and watch proceedings. But rest assured, when JZ and his boys are finished having thier way with us ( When there is nothing left you doos....) they will then turn thier greedy little eyes onto the next closest ass. Oh, shit.... that's you boys. All you will need to do to see that I am absolutley correct, is look at Zim. Bobby boy, some 8 years ago already, began having illicit relations with his own kind, you know, the kind that are still only walking upright a few times a day. He got tired of us little white bums (nothing left) and had to quench his lust on all of his fellow sun drenched brethren. I believe it is one hell of a party there at the moment. Why don't you boys pack a couple peenuts and ease over? Pucker up, grease up and keep rolling on the ANC. VIVA VIVA

sigh…so JZ has his patronage network put in place. JZ serves term and the next president comes along and boots them all out and puts his (or her, nah, ok his) patronage system in place, until the next one, and the next one….end result – no continuity, no independent thought, just load it with sycophants and cry the beloved country. That’s not democracy, its stupidity…

Funny, but Republicans also told the democratics to **** off, when they were questioning the invasion of Iraq.

The republicans thought they were going to be in power till Jesus comes back.

Q. When the blind follow the blind, when do you think the realisation dawns upon them that they were following the blind?...................................................
A. When they're already in the freaking ditch............
Looking at the ANC, I see white canes everywhere... As for all the empty vessels making all the noise on this forum in blind support of corruption and rot and rampant mis-management as we're witnessing in RSA, and totally devoid of anything intelligent or credible to argue, well ,they'll wake up when they're in the freakin ditch...

Apocalypse keep going, I love the way you put things. Agreeing with you on everything may not be true, but please do not stop.

let the noise makers make noise. we are going to govern this country for life. This is not USA in case one forgets. Welldone Msholozi! come 2014, the ANC will get more than 14 million of our votes. Let the antirevolutionaries moan. who cares, we are not here to please the opposition parties. The ANC was put in government to GOVERN, not to appease the opposition parties. Frankly, any movement done by JZ or this government that gets praised by the DA, COPE or/and ID would get me very worried. why would we do something that appeals to these anti-South Africans? Their job is not to prais what Msholozi does, what do they know about governing, except to collect salaries at the end of each month?

Sinudeity

The Republics were your big friend in DA remember !!!!!!!!!but back to SA, JZZZZZZZZ and ANC are forever buddy.....

You bankrollers in the DA are by far the Republicans and CP in Britian .......fighting indirectly colonial wars of denouncing and demonising everything indigeneous. Just because the guy is Black JZ is corrupt and ANC is not fit to govern .....watch the space you will come second best in the next election by a narrower margin next time around, than all you guyz will do better to shut up.

@kellis- dont indoctrinate us like your regime did to you, the election was not fair bcoz of what? you only menetion the part where ANC tell themases when they canvass,which shows you are biase right there, so shut up!

@Alex whyte- i never said anything about Race if you read my post well, for that i apologise for been in the wrong skin colour to rule the country.


@Apocalypse Now- why are always angry? you can call me a monkey i dont feel it anymore im used to it thanx to you, you are very much fortunate the democratic election came earlier if it came now after Mandela retired you would be dead by now, you moron , i made peace with my self never to to jump evrytime you call me a monkey or baboon, it does nothing to me, but ANC ruling the country it does not make you sleep at night, now who's pissed now?

@Sinudeity, I doubt if the protests were a sign of disgruntlement towards JZ. My logic tells me that people from those 64 municipalities you are talking about saw Zuma as someone who is prepared to listen and they went on and expressed their unhappiness. Your proclivities in as far as the ANC led government is concerned are sometimes unclear and devoid of rationale.

The first order of business for our new NDPP, Simelane is to have a serious review of all prosecutors. His mandate should be to rid the NPA of all reactionary and counter revolutionary forces! He should also call a halt to the farcical trial of Jackie Selebi and he should also rescind the section (204)decision of Pikoli which granted amnesty to drug dealers.These guys must stand trial. The DA leaders in the WC are marching against small drug dealers but are amazingly silent about those that receive amnesty from Pikoli (THE REAL DRUG LORDS) who are flooding our communities with drugs!

Apocalypse as far as you are concerned, you are totally irllevant! The ANC is marching on and we will leave you and racist click behind! Judge on your spelling I don't have high hopes for you finding a job overseas once you have left our shores! VIVA JZ, VIVA ANC, VIVA!!

@Morné Maritz: we are not stupid, is just you always thinks blacks are scared of you, and submissive everytime ,but not this monkeys as per: Apocalypse, they dont give a crap about you guys and reconcilation. they speak what they do know

ffs, its clique, not click.

Proudly South African,thought you were dead.Actually wish you were.What a silly waste of oxygen.


Simelane is a THUG and like all thugs he is home in the thug house called ANC

@Sinudeity @gmail.com: the DA. lost the elections coz they play fair? dont make me fart wena! you lost coz you want to stop Zuma not telling people what you can do for them,and besides majority wont vote for a party with policies that wont benefit them that will put whites first again..

@Ngoako Modiba. Fair point if that was the motivation for the protesting. Now we all eagerly await the response...

@ Apocalypse Now, your line of thinking and the tone with which you express it tells me that you have under lying problems which can neither be treated nor cured on this forum. I can bet my last cent that you are an old sailor judging by how you unleash profanity with great ease. Quite frankly your utterances are unworthy of civilized thinking!!!

fuck,no man!the anc is running the country like a corner spaza shop-only pals are on the counter.africa's proudest democracy is degenerating into africa's worst autocracy.however that is synonimous with african leaders.good revolutionaries make bad democrats "finish and klaar"(Selebi:2007).i am however not surprised considering the company we keep these days (Leader of the Revolution-Gaddhafi,Uranium-rich Chavez,anti-imperialist/anti-colonialist-Mugabe,confused communist-Hu Juntao,et al.).

@Ian mcintosh- do you think b4 you provide for ur kidz? i dont think so why i should i think b4 i vote for THE Revolutionery party?

I read in papers that in a shanty town called Blikkiesdorp, the DA mayor of Cape Town were smacked by gatvol residents for lack of service delivery! So Kells even the heroic DA lied to the citizens of the Western Cape! Its regrettable that the everyone who occupied a leadership position in the apartheid regime did not face Neurenberg type trial for their crimes against the indigenous people of this country! If it was not for Tutu and MADIBA, the masses WOULD HAVE DEMANDED RETRIBUTION!

A4A - Moxster - Sydney - Nkosi Sikelele

All this moaning white idiots need to realise that the ANC is in government, and their constant bitching is not doing them a great favour as they will not be able to grow the dwindling party - FF+ or that racist miniscule party led by a woman whose face is full of wrinkles (Botox will not last).

I would advise them to;
1) emigrate asap and leave Africa to Africans
2) Shut up and let the government do what is elected to do.
3) Do some research and find out how they landed here, and see if they can repatriate tehir sorry asses as soon as possible.
4) Join the ANC and assist the country in moving country forward and implementing the national democratic revolution.
5) Stop being a counter revolutionary because apartheid has ended, and will not be revived by these cowardly and racist comments.
6) Give your kids a decent life and legacy by behaving like decent human beings............

If we had retribution we would not be faced by these arrogant bastards.........

LOL @ Ian... I doubt it even clicked... LOL!!!

May i ask which of you have any EVIDENCE that the Honourable Simelane broke ANY law?

Many of you against him speak of the rule of law, yet when the President applies the rule of law (and appoints a man, who by all accounts HAS the necessary qualifications/skills/knowledge), you cry foul. You can't hang a man on opinion (Ginwala Commission) or for the fact that he thinks highly of himself (it's called confidence).

It really is starting to sound racist... "all that is black is wrong"

@ L M Mboshi, may be, just may be the ANC's concession that its own deployees were responsible for the dysfunctional state that some municipalities are in right now was part of the answer that you and I are eagerly awaiting. What do you think?

Cmde Proudly, I agree with you. They are too scared to emigrate because I don't think even countries like Canada will wellcome them! We should simply kicked them out of our country!

@PSA: wow! did a monkey wrote such common sense, Whatever you wrote now my friend its simple common sense, is not for free not for sale, but this oppressors fail to excise this rights, well said PSA well said, dont you want us give you a deprt of home affairs ministry position come 2012? you can depot this moron moss..

A4A, I am far from angry dude. I am thoroughly enjoying myself. I just loving watch JZ and a few other spychopaths sucking the life out of the masses. There can be only one reason you do not get just a tad irritated with me anymore, it is because you have finally had to accept that in fact there is something to this missing link theory. You will notice, rather quickly, when you are able to actually stand upright for longer that an hour each day, that things will be far clearer for you. In fact, you might actually be a fast learner and realize that our friend and brother JZ is completely colour blind. He has no real preference for either white or black bums. To him an ass is an ass. This is just how it is with politicians. (All of them, white, black, brown, yellow, hell, pick a colour.) So he and his merry gay bunch of blooD sucking spycopaths will go around raping and pillaging anything everything that moves. I recal in the early days before he was elected, feeling like maybe this will be the guy (Er JZ, not JC) that will be able to put SA on the track to a non racial, non corrupt, prosperous nation for ALL. I mean he seemed like such a likable guy. I was worng. It's OK,i know how you feel. The dissapointment is palbable. So, in closing, keep up the good fight, adore JZ with everything you have, because when the time is right he will take you and have his way with you. VIVA ANC VIVA

Stupid Apocalyse,

Do you mean Psycopaths or Syncophants? I enjoy it when the apartheid beneficiaries make an ass of themselves like these, or is it a white-male-penis thing to mispell words and massacre things and still display such raw arrogance?.................

@Apocalypse Now - you are still angry, you will write something that is directed to me when you are calm okay! now back to business..

do you guys (oppossition or whatever you call your selves this days) realy think if DA was in power will have appoint someone that the ANC will feel confortable with? aga.. ag... nope, so why do ypu want them to appoint your choice, weather corrupt like your regime or not comrade is a comrade.

Apocalypse, what the sweet fuck are you still hanging around in my country? Your are a classical example of a bloodsucker and parasite. You and your forebears are nothing less than thieves. One should not waste time to challenge oxygen thieves like you because I suspect you are clearly a bitter and defeated white man who still cling to the nostalgia of your apartheid era privileges. Well unfortunately for you and Sinudeity JZ is our country's President and we love him!! VIVA JZ, VIVA!!

I think he meant Syncopaths (self serving)

Africa 4 Africans: Thanks for proving my point, china. Bringing it down to racism...again....YAWN.

Stupidity is non-racial. You, my friend, have heaps of it.

PSA
"racist racntings of the idiots"
"and governing in your own than"
"we are busy running government than listening to these racist cacophony."
"being scums"
"All this moaning white idiots"
"can repatriate tehir sorry "
"themselves like these"
"or is it a white-male-penis thing to mispell words and massacre things and still display such raw arrogance?............"

i guess you can answer your own question on that one.....

Proudly you have zero notion of whgat democracy is. Just becasue you support an opposion party does not make you anti Soouth Africa. Catch a wake up.

Moxter wrote: "If there was ANY doubt about the integrity of Comrade Simelane, President Zuma, in consultation with the ANC, would not have appointed him."

Ginwala: "Simelane had attempted to unlawfully interfere with advocate Pikoli's prosecutorial independence."

A constitutional expert said that given Ginwala's findings, Simelane was "not a fit and proper person for the position" as the National Prosecuting Authority Act required.

He suggested Zuma may have acted "unlawfully, because Simelane clearly does not meet the requirements for the job as stipulated" by the act.

No really guys! This is supposed to be an area for debate, and not somewhere you can throw your racist abuse around. There is a difference between freedom of expression and what is going on here. We need to accept that some people are white and some are black and that we are all entitled to live in this country. We must also agree that people will have different political views. And that is good, and that is what we need in a democracy - we don't want everybody to think the same. But if you cannot have a proper debate you need to get out - I for one don't want to read your racist reviews.

As for the news at hand - the opposition are just doing their job. This is why we have a democracy - so that people from all political parties can have a view.

nkosi sikelele, you are sounding like a Nazi. Why don't you ask the San people what they think of the current tribes inhabiting the country. Oh - I forgot - they were driven out of their lands by the new black settlers. Take the mote out of your own eye before you criticize others.

Spot on Concerned Citizen, really makes me worry too. If the people on this platform had guns in hand... One word... CALAMITY... Thought this place was all for intelligent debate. Constructive and objective engagement by people who regardless of differing opinions and political affiliations, all want to see progress, but then again some have the intelligence, others don't so what's to be expected then. all we see is expeletives flying back & forth, & all too often heads stuck so far up arses of corrupt leaders, the poor eyes on those heads can't see wrong 4 what it is coz all they see is... oh where r the heads @ by the way?

ConCit, in as much as you would like to be the mouthpiece of the opposition with your argument that it's the opposition's job to 'oppose', do you not think that it's within 'our' rights to counter your spats of opposing ? You people are too busy lambasting us for not respecting your right to freedom of speech with your ant-ANC rhetoric, yet you fail to see the rights of the ruling party and it's supporters to do the same to the DA and it's supporters. Is this not so?
(Never mind answering that one .... it is a rhetorical question as the answer is quite simple, really).

Hey, Mox, if the debate could be kept simple and be confined to the topic at hand anyone can say anything. Pro ANC or other wise. Reason everything blows up is personal attacks and some of the shit-pit language that is becoming common place here... for me it's synonymous with the absence of intelligence.

Clearly there are people who do not understand what the term "rhetorical question" means ...

Eish !

@ LM Mboshi - thanks for the support!

@ Moxster, your question is not rhetorical and I think deserves a response. I honestly have no idea where you get this - this you/us thing. You assume way too much...

My point was about the type of comments being made on these forums, many of which smack of intolerance. And I'm not pointing fingers here because it comes from whites and from blacks - from individuals who are for and against the ANC. I just think it is very sad that our differences are continuously being highlighted here, and nobody is talking about our similarities. This is supposed to be an area for constructive debate, not mudslinging and name calling.

Well, Concerned Citizen, response was to your: "As for the news at... political parties can have a view.", yet you failed to even properly counter-respond to that. It was for that very reason that I deemed it a rhetorical question. You went off on an inrelated tangent, which is typical ...

PS.
If you think that there is no "you/us" thing, then you are clearly mistaken or living on another planet, probably Uranus ...

Ah Moxster, in future please give me some clue if you are responding to only a single line of my comments instead of of the entire message. That way I won't have to waste my time with inappropriate responses.

It comes down to simple politics - if the opposition isn't happy with government decisions, they will throw their toys. And South Africa is certainly not unique in this instance. Do yourself a favour and look at the vehement debates between the opposition and the ruling party in the UK. But there is a difference between debate, calling people names, and being insulting.

And looking at your PS, I must be an alien then because I've always judged people on their character and not the colour of their skin - I thought that was what the struggle was all about?

@Shoot To Kill - where the heck do you come from? your skin colour wont help you at all, we understand your anger and your sucking up, we are ready for you.

@Concerned Citizen- i got your point, but pls dont compare SA,with UK. Politics, there are way different, Blacks in U.K never suffered like blacks here, and if they also did suffer and do know abt it, then surely their oppressors acknowledged their role and talked about it, not hide it under the carpet and pretend everything wil be fine , where else the opressed has not yet healed, let alone still be reminded by the likes of Reitz 4 and so on..

Feeling oppressed, suffering, anger etc. are bad, bad guiding emotions for governing a country.
Combined, with a proclivity to corruption and incompetence are perhaps a good way of upsetting the previous dispensation –and also those who supported it, but you have not addressed my earlier question:
Do you honestly believe that we are on the right path to prosperity for all –or even for all your angry, suffering and previously oppressed?

Or do you think that getting back and destroying all that was built by the previous oppressors, by way of stealing, corruption and awful mismanagement takes precedence?

Are you prepared to give an honest answer to give to this vital question, or do you think that spewing forth and practicing your hatred suits you better?
(In all likelihood you are then also one of the corrupt thieves –who uses the whole past apartheid misery as a current pretext to continue your graft and destructive manner)

I agree that a healthy democracy requires vigorous debate and this is what is being seen here. The UK is the best example of open political debate with lots of sting. In the US, everyone had a great time insulting Bush and calling him "village idiot" etc in debates and national TV daily. In SA we are tip toeing and walking on shells over someone calling Zuma a "gangster". It seems that free speech may not have the same definition in SA as it has elsewhere. Many of us in are still in pain over suffering the atrocities of apartheid and cannot fathom that Whites should criticise government. But this there is an intolerance of differing views rather than a melting pot of ideas taking root. How unfortunate for us that we are still hurting each other after all the crap we already went through. Most democracies have checks and balances to avoid corruption. If the NPA head is biased or not independent of the Presidency in any way, it will damage our fragile democracy. My suggestion is we should have some type of confirmation process for these types of appointments to ensure transparency and prevent cronyism.