Cronin, ANC Youth League end their quarrel

what comrade julius failed to notice is that comrade jeremy, in his apology, took the opportnity to have another dig at comrade julius. ("had not realised malema had such a delicate skin"). but of course he has, comrade jeremy. look at all the bodyguards needed to protect it!

see today's zanews for the latest in comrade julius' "juliverse" - hilarious!

Cronin must just watch his big mouth next time........

So Jeremy Cronin gets bullied to apologise, well sort of and it seems the stupid league seems to be so collectively thick skulled that they have not spotted the thin skinned jibe. No apology from the stupid league though about their racist comments.

Jeremy grow a spine please and Julius grow up please.

Cronin has been a critic of Malema for a while now and has merely made his thoughts known via his media statement, spawning a debate on a public forum. An issue has been raised, challenged, clarified and sorted out amicably. All transparent and all is good ...

The white intellectual grovels an apology; the black woodwork dropout struts about, grinning; smugly vindicated. Transformation in action.

White intellectual? Hmm, debatable!

@Proudly_South African Proudly_South African
watch his mouth or what?
Are you a follower of Malema? Is he your hero?

Fuck man, what the hell is wrong with you?

Must I now also watch my mouth? Or what?

Grow up!

@Proudly_South African Proudly_South African
please change your alias, you are lots of things but Proudly South African is not one of them...

was a student leader in politics and social life, sometimes we leaders we use to compromise so that we can meet the demands of our masses who voted us to be in the offices. I think Cronin his compromising his idea for the sake of his position and the majority of people. But Tito Mboweni once said that "not at all majority are correct".

Hey, Cronin IS a published poet (even is his verse is WORSE) and he's got a postgraduate degree. So he is most certainly more equipped to call himself an "intellectual" (however pretentious and pompous that invariably is) than Julius Malema with his barely-scraped-though third-class cattle-wagon at the back of the train pseudo-matric.

Hi Fred

Do you want to know who PSA/PSA is. He is a white chappie who is taking you all for a ride with his comments - he just stirs to get reaction.

(TC: watching you - don't be a naughty boy now.)

Human race is the only race known by allmighty.

Read in Sobukwe's beliefs-they were deemed racist but they haven't been.

yep

Andre, you're spot on. PSA-PSA is a white journalist employed - with benefits - by the M&G. Come on, Shaun de Waal, 'fess up. We know it is you!

Proudly SA, what is debatable, Cronin's white skin, or his highly-developed intellect? Having been at university with Cronin, I can assure you he is white, and a true intellectual. He has published several political works as well as poetry and is a seasoned speaker. As far as intellect goes, Malema's in another league altogether. But then again, he has the right skin colour, hasn't he.

Tis funny how Jeremy Cronin has suddenly become a hero to the irrelevant minority, just because he opposed Malema (the fact that he is white is an added bonus to them). They instantly forget that he is communist, a swear word in their two page book of neo-liberal political history.
How wrong they are indeed. Comrade Cronin would be the first to dismiss the support of this misguided and confused speck of dust (the minority) on our political map.

Moxter, just curious...if you regard all whites blogging here as so insignificant in your and your ANC buddies' lives as not worth the time of day, why are you always in here stirring it up? Bit of a contradiction, huh?

The bottom line is that parties in any debate should be mature enough, bright enough, and confident enough of their debating abilities and the strength of their arguments, to debate in a civilised fashion, without bringing up the race card or resorting to personal attacks. They should give the same respect they deserve. Those qualities are sadly lacking on the part of both parties in this case, and unfortunately in many others where at least one of the parties here, is involved. Malema and people of his ilk also need to appreciate that a debate implies a discussion, the raising of differing points of view and – oh f*** – the possibility that you might just have to admit you are wrong - and then do so with humility. If a so-called debate is nothing more than “I say this, and I am right and you are wrong and my way is right and your way is wrong” then it is not a debate or a discussion.

HAHAHAH Moxy, you kill me dude. That speck of dust just happens to be in control of your economy. Why do you think Julius is so pissed of and wanting to Nationalize everything he lays his beady little eyes on. Its because he also wants a piece. He is sick and tired of having to stand outside and watch all the newly trained monkeys (Current cabinet plus some..) gorging themselve at the monkey trough. I admit, the dust speck you so fondly talk about will not have this luxury much longer. But that is cool, we can just quietly sit by and milk away until it is time to allow the inmates out to piss up against the tree. By then we will be off to have a cold beer in the sun while you and the crowd that remains will be scrambling around attempting to scoop the scraps left by JZ and his other psychopaths. Now, unless you are able to manuever you small round little sun drenched head, squarely up JZ's ass, you will be fucked. Hey, don't believe me dude, just glance north (Ask the oke standing next to you where north is) and see all the little plebs taking a few from Bob up the naught. VIVA ANC VIVA.

This is so laughable. I jus wanted to see where the race fundamentalists will fall - if they have to choose between white communist and the other faked support on the extreme - the temperamental responses haven't stopped me from laughing hysterically.............

Since when has our own indoctrinated, spoiled apartheid-beneficiaries embraced communism......yeah!!!

Joe Pubic, I do not regard whites as insignificant. I regard the minority (vote) as irrelevant, on our long walk to a socialist democratic revolution, which 'you people' know better as the term "Transformation", a work in progress. I represent the majority, for whom forums like these are near impossible to reach. And yes, I am here to stir .... big time !!!

The true colours of racism are coming out of our white compatriots! Since when have they ever supported Cronin? Is he now a hero because he opposed Malema? I agree with Moxter, the white vote is irellevant, because they represent an apartheid era mentality. The alliance will move on and if there are tiffs along the way, so be it. Cool heads have prevail amongst comrades. VIVA ANC, VIVA SACP, VIVA!!

I can only speak for myself when I say that this is the only time sense prevailed as far as the commie party is concerned. Even they realise the disaster which would ensue if the mines were nationalised. I could not care what race the person is. I support on the practicality of the issue

Sorry, Nkosi, you are wrong - I have never supported Cronin: communism has never worked and never will. It is a totally discredited political ideology. In passing, just because someone supports a person of the same colour does not mean they are racist. Nor does it mean they are racist if they do not support a person of a different colour. But, let's suppose that if you are right, then you are racist, right? You support Malema? And you don't support Cronin? I, on the other hand, tend to support the views of a person who I reckon is doing a good job. Hence, Trevor Manuel had my support; Gordhan, his successor has my support. Tito Mboweni had my support. Nelson Mandela had my support. Jonathan Jansen of the UFS is an enlightened man with much to offer. Dr Mamphela Rampele is brilliant… Oh God, there goes the argument… There I am WHITE – and I reckon those people are stars – but they’re coloured, and black… Nkosi, so long as there are people who think as you appear to do, this country will never be free of racism. Such a pity… such a beautiful country, such potential – but so much bigotry.

A lot of these comments are scratching the bottom of the barrel. I definitely don't support the white intellectual Cronin and don' t really see who else supports him. While I disagee with his communist beliefs, I do know who I would put my money on in a debate between Cronin and Malema.

It is impossible to be a communist and an an intellectual at the same time. Cronin is a twit. It is not worth the effort to devise a more complex description since that says it all.
He can twist his words and theories as a deluded communist, but he hasn't the guts to stand up to a bully. Cronin has done this before.

@Rod Baker: remind me again why you supported Mandela?

PSA/PSA: It is not a white/black, communist/democrat thing. It is about nationalization. If Cronin wanted to nationalize state enterprises and Malema opposed it, I will, for once in my life, give old Foolius the thumbs up.

Rod, your point is taken! Are you telling us that your heroic free market system have taken our economy to new and prosperous heights? Capitalism has spectacularly failed! It has failed because of greed in smoke filled boardrooms! Our country is a developing economy and therefore state intervention or outright nationalisation for certain industries is a necessity! The real victims of the current recession were not those who masterminded this atrocity but the poor, marginalised, unemployed and downtrodden!

Whoopie!!!!! Now they can all order another bottle of MOET champaine and PARTY!!!!!! Isn't that how it's done???????

PSA is an M&G columnist -- heh heh -- could be. PSA can't be for real - although the scary thing is that are people out there like that.
"I agree with Moxter, the white vote is irellevant, because they represent an apartheid era mentality." nkosi sikelele, that is THE MOST racist, apartheid-driven statement I've seen in a long time. As long as you vilify whites and glorify blacks, you are living in Nationalist South Africa, and are no different from Botha and his cronies.

Ella Hume,

I see you are bonding with Moxster - good for you........now talk to the other dunderheads to stop being so hypocritical - it's nauseating...........

Oh boy, I don't even know where to start!

1. No vote is irrelevant - irrespective of the colour of the voter. The Apartheid government also saw blacks as irrelevant and I don't think we should go down that road again.
2. I think economically we are at a crossroads. Capitalism and Communism both failed dismally, and Socialism as applied in Europe (like France etc) is so expensive that even these big first world economies cannot sustain it any longer. I'm no economist but it makes sense to have a system that valued individuals and their rights, and that was economically sustainable - somewhere between Capitalism and Socialism.
3. Nationalising our key assets is not the solution. There is a lot to be said for market forces and a free economy, and we should not underestimate this.
4. I'm proud to say I support neither Cronin nor Malema.

Ella of course the white vote represents an apartheid era mentality! PROVE ME WRONG! You have a very selective memory. If I may remind you of party the DA's outright and sickening slogan's like "FIGHT BACK"! Now you tell me against who was that slogan directed? You are a misguided apologist for white supremacy and we will not be guided by minority and racist viewpoints! This country will never go back to white minority rule but its seems you still desperately clinging to that dream. WELL WHITE SISTER, DREAM ON!!

Nkos, shows how thick you are. You were TOLD what the DA slogan stood for. You didn't and couldn't work it out for yourself could you????? Fight back was a slogan to Fight back against crime and corruption. Anyting worng with that????? Who ever said that this country will go back to white minority rule?????? 99.9% of whites don't want it so what is your argument????? What is white supremecy? Enlighten me please!!!! You spew your mouth off about abolutely nothing and then add insults because your brain is dead!!!! Don't take on what you can't handle or understand! And don't forget the NP are now part of the ANC!!!!!!

Louise,

STOP WITH YOUR DAMN LIES!!!!!!!!!!!

AHA the one and only Louise would as usual jump like a blind mouse on the wagon! The fight back slogan was directed against the black majority govt. and in essence against the masses of our people! You think that we are fools. White supremacy is exactly what you, Ella, Sinudeity, Apocalypse and others represent. Thabo Mbeki once said and I quote "that everything black is associated with crime, corruption, incompetence and thievery"! How right was he. You complain about crime than you are not even the victims, you badmouth our country on foreign websites, you complain about employment equity, whilst statistic after statistic prove that whites are still in control of all top jobs and of the economy! If you and Ella and others are so gatvol why don't you pack your bags and leave! You will not be missed because you are not contributing nor are you an asset! In fact I would be happy to pay for your airfare. We will say to you good riddance!

Well put Louise, Ella is not a hypocrite PSA, the difference between her and you is she is not dogmatic and disagreeS simply for the sake of it. You are so angry, that you cannot see what you are saying is irrational. You need to go for anger management, so you can get over yourself.

Nkosi, where should I go????? Any suggestions?????? While you are about offering arifares will you also offer to sort out work visas etc..... as no country will take myself or others without them as we are South African. Of course you could always move up north if you aren't happy. You'll find a good friend in the dictator up there. I'm sure he'll welcome you with open arms as you are ancestors and think alike.

Nkosi Sikele, you dececrate you pseudonym with your racist garbage. Please change your pseudonym to Bigot.

When will PSA and the Moxster realise that communism will never work. it has never worked anywhere but for some unimagianble reason these two hotshots think it will work here.
Cronin is supported because he is against nationalisation but you two guys suffer from severe whitetitis and cannot think straight about anything anymore. Revolution, comrade, natinalising, it's the 21st century, that insane lingo is now so passe.

@Nkosi - the spin doctors at the ANC that equated the "Fight Back" campaign, with an anti-Black sentiment was brilliant on their part, but wholly evil in the greater scheme of things, as it was particularly devisive for our society and the racist spin was just self serving.
As Louise correctly points out, this was a campaign against Crime and Corruption (look it up - it's easy to check)- the ANC created the alternative interpretation for their own ends.

Anyone who confronts retard Malema gets my vote, who gives a twally if that person is white or black? PSA and company - get a life, I believe you can buy them at the local Cafe.

Cronin, you ass kissing SOB. I just realised, Cronin jumps for Julius.

Cronin and Malema smoke the same cigar. Malema has a great courage, speaks his mind what most of us fail to do. I have learn a lot from him, he is a great gentleman and has my support.

nkosi:
"Ella of course the white vote represents an apartheid era mentality! PROVE ME WRONG" - you are the one making this wild claim, from your rather limited one eyed viewpoint, if their is any proving to be done its to come from you. I sincerely doubt you can do so.
"You complain about crime than you are not even the victims," - um, thought this was a pervasive south african problem affecting all, regardless of colour. Silly statement lacking in merit and point.

"you badmouth our country on foreign websites," - given that the internet is without boundaries, what impression do you think statements likes yours give to foreigners? probably you don't care and they can 'go to hell'. but think about that for a minute or two..

"you complain about employment equity, whilst statistic after statistic prove that whites are still in control of all top jobs and of the economy!" - stats are the domain of those without a valid argument.
"You will not be missed because you are not contributing" -- you're basing this on ?
Lastly - i don't think you speak for any 'we'. Use the singular.

Malema 1; Cronin 0.

Game over.

No white man is permitted to get the better of any black man. In any debate. Ever. At any time.

Those are the rules.

Malema 1; Cronin 0.

End of story.

Moxster, its funny how you have a leader called Julius and a leader called cronin. The one is a complete dimwit that does not count his words and the other is a white liberal/communist that says the right thing...

Funny that, you must feel confused yourself...

Even funnier is the notion that there are actually any communists around still?

You guys are so full of bullshit its unbelievable!

I am sorry to dissapoint moxster but there are only those who control and those who are controlled.

The majority was controlled by a white regime and is now controlled by a black regime who claims to be socialist...

And in the meantime you argue on forum whilst your "brothers" the majority suffer...

Hell yeah! Bring it on, a brave new world of people talking shit blaiming it on "politics" whilst the elite (some of whom live in sandton but did not pass woodwork...) laugh at them.

Who is being mocked now?

Any sane person on this forum that supports a guy like malema must do so only because he/she identifies with Malema!

Now i am not sure how they identify with him, but that is up to them.

For all the would be "communists/socialist/transformation" on this forum.

Gandhi was a socialist. If your socialist comrades sells their fancy cars and donate the cash to the starving kids in Alexandria then i would agree, they are socialists.

But my good friends, at the moment they are an Elite brought into power by a confused majority vote that is deliberatly being kept in poverty without education as to prolong this farce forever.

And it's true what they said, the ANC will rule until Jesus comes, because the ANC will make sure that no one is being uplifted from poverty as they will want to be kept in power forever, because lets face it, even if the ANC does not deliver, if you are poor and black would you vote for the DA? no chance, you would vote for the ANC till Jesus comes.

Now hopefully that will be in around 4 years or so, but nevermind.

Fact is boys, wake the fuck up, and smell the roses and stop talking kak!

The YCLSA Gauteng’s response to attacks on YCLSA and SACP leaders by one Julius Malema

25 November 2009

The Young Communist League of South Africa (YCLSA) in the province of Gauteng notes the continued weak attacks of the YCLSA and SACP leaders by one loosely structured Julius Malema who suffers from verbal diarrhoea. In an article that appeared in a daily newspaper Sowetan, on Monday 23 November 2009, Julius is attributed to be saying that the YCLSA does not have a programme of its own and membership. If this is true it would not be the first time without any success that Julius attempts to kill for his handlers all YCLSA members. As such we have no reason to be afraid of him. Julius is also attributed to be levelling a meaningless allegation that communists, and by extension the YCLSA, want to turn the ANC into a Communist Party.

To set the record straight, the YCLSA is alive, has a programme and not just members, but quality members, well trained activists who can provide Julius with the political education he direly needs.

To mention but at least only two components of the YCLSA programme that are aimed at securing the momentary interests of young workers: in line with the 2008 National Alliance Summit resolutions we have been actively campaigning for a review of all outsourced services with an intention to bring them back into government; we have also been campaigning for the abolition of labour brokers. In this for instance as the YCLSA in Gauteng we have zealously as a reliant force been working together with the South African Trade Unions (COSATU), some of its affiliates, South African Student Congress (SASCO), Congress of South African Students (COSAS) and the many young workers who suffer from the brutality of labour brokers. This includes young workers whose work is outsourced from government. By the way Julius is a tender-preneur, not a genuine entrepreneur but a parasitic petty capitalist who relies on political proximity to different spheres of government and associated tenders.

We have no reason to be threatened by a disrespectful Julius’s empty rhetoric that is aimed at entrenching accumulation from taxpayers’ monies through an attempt to derail the National Democratic Revolution (NDR) into a Tenderlution (T) – parasitic capitalist struggle for survival from tenders. We support all parents to continue motivating their children; and all young people, Black and White to, prioritise education. We call on all parents to intensify efforts in teaching their children the dangers of learning from Julius.

As the YCLSA in Gauteng we will be convening in our 11th Provincial Executive Committee (PEC) Plenary Session from the 4th – 5th December 2009. Organisational and political issues that our PEC will deal with include a re-emerging trend from within our ANC-led National Liberation Movement (NLM) to isolate ANC-SACP members with an intention of suppressing and denying them or curtailing their participation rights. In this regard we shall comprehensively respond by all means at our disposal to anti-communists and anti-trade unionists agenda that Julius, his handlers and others have adopted. We shall defend our ANC-led NLM from being hijacked for narrow, patronage-based and self-centred capitalist interests that will stop at nothing including to abuse funerals to pursue its agenda.

We remain committed to a genuine call for the nationalisation and socialisation, not only of mines, but of all our country’s strategic resources and services including service delivery.


Issued by the Young Communist League of South Africa Gauteng Province

For further information contact

Alex Mashilo
YCLSA Gauteng Provincial Secretary