JZ's coalition cracks

Divide and rule!

"some were unhappy with Cosatu's tough stance on corruption".....is the for real?.....we know in the anc there's nothing wrong with corruption.....unfortunately for them Cosatu doesn't see it that way.

Whoever said that relationships between alliance partners must be that of cosy-highfiving-backslapping school friends? The relationship must be loaded with fundamental differences. I mean why would you have different constituencies? This is no broederbond alliance,jon! In fact, it is the best case scenario that you have this jockeying for position on policy simply because it allows all role-players pitch their debates at higher levels. It is what we call the battle of ideas.
The leadership struggle within ANC now is a totally different issue and I think that you should address it in another context.

It is about time someone from within the alliance started making a stand against the corruption, I am not a fan of COSATU's economic policy but very pleased to see they are standing up against corruption... The ANC corruption is holding up service delivery to the poor. It must stop.

mmmm whose worse...Malema and the right wing or Cosatu and the Communists?

Anybody surprised??????? It was JZ at all costs as he was going to be their perfect puppet and he has proved them right!

Kitty Kat, I agree with you 110% ...

Kitty Kat so true! These differences are not new and yes I'm happy there are differences so that no group should feel that they have the upper hand! VIVA ANC, VIVA COSATU, VIVA SACP!!

"Group think" is not beneficial, different points of view is essential. The different opinions in the Alliance look healthly for democracy....

How can COSATU improve the lives of the poor?
Creating more well-paying jobs? Nationalising mining companies?
The only logical thing for COSATU to do is take a wage cut (starting with Vavi's) and surrendering all trappings of opulence,like those cars driven by Blade...Then they can expect each one of us to follow suit. The poor's plight in this country will thus be seriously addressed.
"Decent jobs" promised by the Zumas of this world is all but a euphemism employed by power mongers who want to plunder the resources of this land whilst promising the hoi polloi the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Animal Farm-1209 is impressed that Azania’s political landscape is colored by different ideas/opinions; this is democracy at its very best.

All Azanians should know that only in discourse that we revolutionaries are allowed and we should take pride in this, to shoot down anything that is not in line with the progressive direction.

Animal Farm-1209 has not seen blood on the floor and this can only mean that this discourse that seems to be taking place is entrenched in what Mao Ze Dong (aka Mao Tse Tung) correctly calls Liberalism.

Animal Farm-1209 is for a brutally-frank discourse, unfortunately for all bloody liberals, it’s when we are frank with one another and deliberately working hard in combating liberalism that revolutionary forces stay in line.

Animal Farm-1209 is for Discourse and Investigation!!

Hopefully the electorate will see these vultures desperately squabbling over the carcasses of a ransacked South Africa and vote for a CHANGE in political leadership.

It's times like these that I lament DA's rather pitiful decision to re-launch themselves with an only emblem rather than an entirely new political organisation as they should have done pre-election. They're clearly lacking serious strategic planning.

South Africans should be begging for an alternative now, too bad they'll never see past the historical colour divide the name DA drags around with it.

If COSATU is concerned about helping the poor these unions will have to change the labor rules in SA. As it stands now, the work rule in this country have prevented SA from competing with the Asian countries. In order for South Africa to grow this country will have to attract a lot of investment and investors want to invest in a country that appears stable. COSATU did the right thing to come out against corruption because corruption hurts the poor and working people. Investors do not want to invest in a country that corruption is the order of the day. Mandingo, you are right COSATU should be independent and not put all of their eggs with the ANC. COSATU should establish diplomatic relations with DA and COPE so they can have a working relation. The nationalization of the industries in SA is not to the advantage of COSATU because it will bring politic in the industries. the private sector has to be very flexible because these people have to make decisions that can cause them to make money or lose money. If Eskoms was a private company, the decision to invest in the increase in the electricity capacity of this company would have been made ten years ago. The decision not to invest was based on politic and not business sense. COSATU should support letting the private sector establish electric companies in SA and they should invest in them. Vavi should get out of bed with Malema and others because they don't represent the same interest that COSATU does. COSATU was set up to represent the economic interest of the workers and their families where the ANCYL and SACCP party are trying to get political power by pretending to be looking out for the poor. In all of these socialist countries when the state took over all of the industries the unions disappeared.

"The essence is: How do we advance our strategy for changing the structural deficiencies of our economy created by apartheid?" said Dlamini.

---The real question should be: "The essence is: How do we advance our strategy for changing the structural deficiencies of our economy created by ANC corruption?" said Dlamini.

Zuma is doing nothing because of the mistakes of the ANC, and face is everything. Cosatu might wish to do something for the workers it represents, and not wish to take over the country, politically and economically. White men in golf carts puppeting the industry, vs. commies in Mercedes.

We still do not know what Zuma stands for , he is all things to everybody. He has not taken a firm stand against anything, but pays lip service to everyone.As the old saying goes , you can fool some people some of the time , but you cannot fool everyone all of the time. The infighting is going to escalate , since all that matters to the politicians is BLING

Its all about money, isn't it always just about money???. Cosatu, SACP, ANC are all perfectly good (Capatalistic) profit driven businesses. (Look into it see for yourself) Vavi, Malema, Cronin et al are very aware of this and understand this dynamic intimately. Nkosi,A4A PSA and the troupe, don't for one minute beileve that these organisations give a flying f.... for you and your kind. All they need are your fees you pay, so they will say and do anything to ensure thier fee base grows. Its these fees that are used to work and keep a few well placed people wealthy beyong belief. Ok, so every now and then Vavi and his close helpers will toy toy a few times and get the workers a few (very few) basic increases and or percieved privileges. This is only so that they can keep the fee base happy and growing. Perception is the mother of all truth.

Cosatu is only interested in the union fees they get, thus the request to print more money and create more jobs. Their coffers are not as full as they would like them to be. Do they care about the workers? I do not think so, as soon as they feel the pinch from a strike and lack of money coming in, they end the strike. Poor workers were not paid whilst out on strike and often reaped no benefit from the strike, The only ones that got something out is COSATU flexing their muscles.

@Apocalypso, there is nothing wrong with the unions investing their money in business to make a profit. COSATU has more in common with the business people than they have with SACCP or the ANCYL because these two group have nothing to put on the table. The problem with SA trade unions is they still trying to function like in 1960 instead of 2009. The Asian countries led by China have change the whole dynamic of the labor movement because China has devalued the labor value in Africa and most of the world. Lee, you are right about COSATU striking and how these strike hurt the workers. These strikes also hurt the economy of SA even worst. Remember, comrade China doesn't allow strikes or labor unions.

Sterling, i agree with you, however, and this is where i should have been more explicit. There is nothing wrong with a trade uniou investing funds for a profit. Its a good business practice. Here is the rub. Considering thier idelogy, thier charter, thier roots, based on this how many of thier members do you think know this. And, if they understood this then how many would feel completely betrayed by the decades of indoctrination.

@Apocalyse, the Russians and the Chinese found out that slogans do not put food on the table, only hard work produce food. When the people in China threw away the thoughts of Mao and start working did the economy of China start growing. This is the problem in black Africa, these leaders feel that the people are so backward that they can tell them anything and the people will follow. In order for SA labor movement to move forward in a for ever changing world, the labor movement will have to become more flexible in their work rules.

@ahed Johb, there is an old saying that you don't cut your nose off to spite your face. Many of those companies that were started under the apartheid government are world class companies and that is a plus for SA. Many of these companies are making more money in other African countries than in SA. The blacks in SA will have to start business to build on what this country already have in place to move forward.

One parasite feeding off another - Kakistocracy

@ M&G reviewers - any reason as to why you refuse this, please?

@Kitty kat: Given what I've read from you recently, I'm happily surprised you also support a division of the present tri-partite government.

About Eskom/Cosatu - Why doesn't Cosatu support worker-owned independent pwer producers?