SA's new Zim team plays it safe

Mbeki was biased. Zuma is incapable. ZANU renege on everything they sign or agree to and make impossible demands they know wont be fulfilled. the MDC are still waiting for Southern Africa to admit they won the "election" and are supposed to be the ruling party.

Welcome to an "African Solution to an African Problem."

I wonder why nobody else in the world wants to "invest" in this?

PS If you want to know whats going on in Zim, try:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00p36mv

Where the BBC Radio 5's Victoria Derbyshire went and broadcast from the country and went and talked to the actual people, (though not the Rural areas.)

Alisdair Budd interestingly she was surprised by how much misinformation she had been fed before she left for Zimbabwe. This is what Victoria said:

'Harare is not what I was expecting. I'd been advised, for example, "not to have loud conversations in public places" in case Central Intelligence officers were listening. I'd been warned my hotel room could be bugged. It might well be, but all they would hear is me talking to my children each morning and evening.

Wherever we've visited, whoever we've approached for an interview - no-one, so far, has tried to restrict us. Some people don't want to be interviewed - that could be because they are slightly fearful, or it could be because they are busy. But those who have agreed to talk seem to have spoken openly.'

@Alisdair Budd. "We'd been told to look out for secret services officers in the foyer of our hotel - but unless they were disguised as Japanese businessmen or stunningly beautiful black women, I couldn't spot them." she said.

@Alasdair. It's called 'cherry picking', Alasdair. Or tunneling. Of course ZANU and Co. have left little to 'cherry pick' or to tunnel for that matter.

I am quite well aware what it is, and I am quite well aware of what she says. I posted it remember, or did you think I didn't actually listen to the program.

The CIO Internet Operative by the name of Fungayi Dzvinyangoma obviously tries to deceive about the bit that she couldn't get to the rural areas due to time, mentioned nobody said anything bad about Mugabe because they were all afraid, and that the last half of the program was an interview with an abducted and beaten MDC employee, and also Zims living in fear in the UK afraid of threats against their families in Zim.

Alisdair Budd, your anglo stupid comments are so annoying. You are also playing "lose" with facts. South Africa (SADC) is recieving it's fair share of investments from abroad. British Airways is returning to Zimbabwe and the list goes on! Angola has recieved more foreign investments (numbers) than the USA or UK, because of oil.

And you quoting BBC is just another joke...one other reason to question your facts! Which Africans even pay attention to the "BBC" state supported media and anglo propaganda? You have an inbread Prejudices that you even don't know about. You always say Africa this....Africa that...a sign of generization that shows more stereotypes than facts. You have been brain washed by white anglo propaganda...No one pays attention to white anglos nowadays..UK is in steep decline is stature and importance....UK is just a lap dog for the americans!! Just keep making your silly fish & Chip, other societies have more advanced food menus! Cninese and Indian food have a whole lot to offer than that!

@zodwa. Your comments are always amusing. British Airways is NOT returning to Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe is receiving very little direct investments. SADC? Sure. Investor funds are going to Angola and South Africa. The Zimbabwean banks are not lending internally to the country. ZESA entered into a stupid agreement with Namibia and is over a barrel now having to provide electricity to Namibia - come hell or high water - even if it means switching off their own customers. Engineer Rafemoyo has indicated that people should not expect electricity at home in the day because it will be diverted to industry. The rural areas have gone back to bartering, which has made accounting difficult. As for food? How is Fungayi's cellphone farming coming along? Do you think that an accountant working in a bank in the UK can farm his "redistributed land" in Zimbabwe by talking on his cellphone and visiting once a year? Do you think he can compete with a full time farmer anywhere in the world? The GMB are buying wheat at less than what it cost the farmers to grow it, simply because the farmers are not achieving the yields they should.

Yawn! another attempt that will go nowhere.

British Airways have just confirmed that they have NO plans to return to Zim in the near future.

So who's got their facts wrong, as well as all the others?

What is..."inbread Prejudices" and "generization" and "Cninese and Indian food have a whole lot to offer than that!"...???

The new team is going to play it safe? They found out that it is better to use condoms when getting screwed?

A pinch of prejuidice here, a dash of defensiveness there, a little scoop of bitterness, and a generous amount of "there i told you!"......these discussions about Zimbabwe are really entertaining. Keep up the good work guys, also nice to see there is almost a regular cast. Makes for a bit of consistency. I am trying to figure out who are the good guys and who are the bad guys though.

P.S.

I was born in Scotland, which makes me stupid Celtic or Gaelic prejudices, not Anglo.

@Alasdair. Celts couldn't possibly be stupid. And the Gaulois (The French side of the Gaelic) couldn't be either, and all of your points deny the possibility.

Soort soek soort! another wastage of taxpayers money !

This article sought to compare Mbeki's facilitation to Zuma's "evaluation" teams. The biggest question on the writter's mind is whether the Zuma team will yield better results that the Mbeki team. I must state that it appears as if it would be premature to maker the comparison because the Mbeki team took close to five years to reach a GPA that is facing a lot of implementation challenges. The Zuma team has only been on the job for two weeks and it hasn't clearly communicated what its objectives are so that we could make any judgement on its achievement. My only concern is that as long as the Zuma team is trying to push for the implementation of the Mbeki led GPA, they are bound to be appear as useless as the mbeki team. What do you think Alistar?

The Zimbabwean issue is not as simple as some of u people out there might want to percieve it. Its so delicate for there is someone out there waiting to snatch what is not his/her birth right. As we discuss, let us not forget that despite the hurdles Zimbabwe is going through, it is actually sailing in the right direction, like or not. I know the dispossed will not agree with me. The best way to reconcile is to undo what had previously brought that acrimony between races, and also accept that all races are equal and should have equal responsibilities of improving the general outlook of Zimbabwe, including feeding the NATION. I SAY TO THE IDEA OF ONE COLOUR CALLING THE SHOTS ALL THE TIME- IT IS A RECIPE FOR INSTABILITY.

I probably have a bit of Norse Blood in me from the invasions in the dark ages but I definetely had a Norwegian Great Grandfather, so that also make me slightly Norse, not Anglo.

Terence you've got the point, Thabisa to indicate that Mbeki's GPA is useless is ignorant. If Mugabe was such a push-over why couldn't anyone in world do as they did to Saddam? which leader in the world could get Mugabe to sign anything? Why doesn't the ICC charge him with Genocide? The analysis of this article is missing the point, this is not a Zuma-Mbeki issue rather based on Diplomatic Liberation Politics based on the past liberation baggages and idiologies.

Mugabe is resistant to Britton Economic Systems i.e. World Bank, WTO, Davos influences etc. that enforce leaders to succumb to these systems that run the economy in paper in turn control over the birthright and estate of the children of the soil. The economic systems will always shield the West whilst CONTROLING Africa, the East and South America. Simple because monetory policies yield debt, regulate inflation and control currencies which will forever be against Africa. Now, whether or not Mugabe is resisting rightfully at the expense of Zimbabweans is another debate. This is also a reflexion of the slumberness of demostic Zimbabeans...Alisdair your bais on African politics lives much to be desired!

The next time you're ranting about the "West" controlling the world could you remember that the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall have fallen and that the EU now includes the old Warsaw Pact countries like Poland who helped the Liberation movements in Africa with guns money and training.

There is no "West" anymore its now the "North".

And that the EU's unelected commissioners and president are now more affected by the old ANC Comrades and ex Warsaw Pact Polish (since there's more of them) than the old Public School Anglo Saxons:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/11/michal-kaminski-europe-conservatives

You then might realise what you look like trying to argue about things that dont exist because you're thirty years out of date.

Let alone ranting about the "Anglo-Saxon Alliance" apparently completely ignorant about who the Franks and Germans were, why Boston has so many Irish, and Ohio so many Swedes, let alone California so many Hispanics, and what effect the Rumanians had on the history of SA from training guerillas let alone its membership of the EU today, and its "illegal sanctions" on Mugabe, nor why the Rumanians (As part of the EU) dont throw money into Zim whilst Gono is in charge of the bank.

Wow...good article Alisdair...you've certainly got the facts at your finger tips. Like the way you think. Just wish you had better "competition", rather than twits like Zodwar. I would really like to see you at your best. Cheers and keep it up.

No I just live in Europe, rather than the African stereotype of it.

In much the same manner that Africans have a better idea of what is happening around them rather than what is printed in "Le Monde".

African problems should be solved by africans themselves...and nobody else.These other chaps do not want africa to move forward but instead control HER resources by hook or crook. For example what is the ICC for? IS It is a ploy to intimidate those african leaders WHO are antai-the establishment.Actually, I THINK ICC stands for International Community Court....and the AU should ALSO establish its own court to counter this so called ICC!

What is happening in the DRC??? WHO IS SPONSORING THAT WAR???

Alisdair Budd, "Saddam not only leader we want out." said the Metro quoting the head of MI6 presumably your boss. So much for your denial of the west wanting to control what goes on in other countries.

@afrikan phi - haven't you noticed yet that africans cannot solve problems - it is evident wherever you go, neither can they successfully build their economies for the betterment of the entire population